Alright, another week, another poll! This ones a topic that we can't go a day without hearing about.. farmers! The gist of the poll.. what do you do when you see a farmer? Personally, I ignore them the best I can. The one time I killed a farmer, I regretted it in half a minute ;)

Discuss peeps!

always try to kill them, and if that doesnt work just keep KSing their mobs untill they leave.

I agree.  I ignore them the best I can.  Of course, you have those few that come up to you and ask either "hp++++" or "Buffs plz", if you consider that asking something. 

The only ones I really fight off are the ones killing monsters with no purpose, like quest monsters.  They only do this to try to keep people out of "their" areas.  If they are out herding monsters, or just killing everything in sight one at a time, they are trying to do the same thing I would be doing, except for a different purpose.  I ignore it, and move on as well.

On the other hand, if they KS me even once, you better beleive that every monster they fight is either getting healed, or I am dropping a few adena in front of a herd of aggros, just to watch those little dwarves suffer. 

I let them be adn try to ignore them but if they KS ill most surtley try to kill them!

Here's a fun tactic that usually works, especially in cruma since the population of farmers is almost always spread out across each floor and at most times also congregated together in certain areas.

1. Get a mage that has body to mind and have them reduce they HP to near 1.

2. Find the farmer that has been KS'n you and do the same to them til they go RANG RANG, PK PK ...

3. When their buddies show up and hit you they will kill the cleric and go red, leaving them open to give you some very expensive drops. This will set them back a great deal on their evening's work and really really @#$% them off.

This is a really productive way to get away from the game's grind and earn some extra loot, plus it ticks farmers off to no end and they will leave you alone for awhile.

***Having another mage that can root is also very helpful when doing this little trick so they can't run away once they go red, not to mention someone who has a rez spell that will give back a percentage of the Martyr's experience lost for death***

If you've heard of me before then you know how I deal with farmers : )

Take cruma for example...

Go into cruma with 2 level <20 dwarfs who have stun.  Bring along 2 bishop/prophet and 1 or 2 level 55+ dagger users.  Have the dorfs stun the farmer healers which might get them killed (and drop items).  Occasionally cancel your stun attack and see if the farmer hits you anyway, possibly killing you in 1 hit.  If that is the case, have those 2 level 55+ dagger users, who are hiding around the corner, rush in to kill the red farmers.  Otherwise, have them rush in and kill the purple farmers.  If the dorfs die, no prob, just rez them with prophet/bishop and do it over and over again.

I made over 120 million in adena doing that over the span of 4 weeks.  Most of it is from farmers who went red because they were sick of having their healer die due to 2 dorfs stunning them constantly.

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ok, depending on where i find them, i try to kill them, or train monsters into them. usually if i am at wastelands, where there are tond of farmers, i will just flat out kill them, and work off the karma. if they are in a spot where players are around, i will either train monsters into them, or hit them so there hp get really low, so a monster will finish them. but thats what i do. you always have to be careful when going red around other players, you never know who to trust, because if ur best friend really needs that weapon or armor ur using, they will kill ya on sight, and steal all your items, stupid game! hehe

i must say though, the best way to get items is to fake a chinese farmer, and when someone kills u and goes red, you really high leveled friend pops up and kills them, and steals their good, and you guys split em.

ive never dont it, but some of my friends have, hehehe

thanks for hearing me out!

I kill them. go to lionna thread and see.

I don't have that much of a problem with farmers because most the time I can waste them in 1 shot because of no jewelry and if they do have jewelry it's only a few more shots.  Now if they don't hit back then they can ks all they want they can't do the damage I do even with a group so I always get the money and that normally piss them off to the point were they either move to another spot or group me and call me friend.........lol farmers are so funny.

The "group-recall" thing really works to.

In cruma (at least on lionna) the farmers like to invite everything that passes through "their" room if they have a free spot in party. As they dont care about XP and only those crafted leather spoils ^^.
Anyway just take that Elder go into a room with farmers and try your best to get into their party. Throw some random heals and say "pt ok?" like the ordinary farmer ^^. Then just teleport them out of there.

This is NOT my idea nor have i tested it cause im a bishop. But it sounds like a fun thing to do for all you bored Elders out there ^^

Hmm when some one flames about farmers i'm not sure which 'type' of farmer they mean... And yea, there is more then one type im my oppinion.

There's the lvl-grind type, who farm mobs for exp.

Theres the commercial type, who seem to cause most problems by using 3rd party proggys and KS. They are usually greedy type who 'claim' a hunt area as theirs. Which usually means if you PK one of them, or KS from one, they have 15 odd lvl30-50+ who will log in in two secs and nuke you. (and very usually have extreamly high clan/allience leaders not far off =X)

And then theirs the innocent type, like moi ^.^ I farm alot mainly because I have to support my clan, usually I pick the wrong mobs to farm and end up losing more then I started off with! But still, its gotta be done. There isn't any other plausable means of getting adena for you equiptment, except farming. If we had more decent quests which we could benefit from that'd be differen't =/

But generally I leave them well alone. I've learnt my lesson ^^;
And sometimes being nice to farmers pays off, especially if you *cough* -accidently- lure 4 bloody queens on to your self and your not even lvl50 *grins* And I've found if you help out farmers when they are in trouble they usually remember you and give you buffs. ^-^

~X~

Aquaria you traitor!!! :P

Me till i started to level scout as main again i used the dragon trick. (it does work)

The Dragon trick - Have your pet (prefurable dragon) hit the bot, thus turning your dragon purple. now because dragns read as a friendly mob, when they go purple they count as an enemy mob and the bot, accordingly , hit it. this turns the bot purple, opening it up to all sorts of fun. i used this for a week or so near dion. Untill my dragon died (non bot related death). this was good. becuase it was in the bugbear area i managed to get 100+ coal from 1 bot dying.

Also 2 days ago we found a fun bot. Automatic reply. After you hit it 3 times it said "please stop that". after another 3 it was "please dont" after another 3 it was "Dont hit me". And we know it wasnt a player becuase its all they ssaid, exactly 3 hit space. Sadly we didnt find out any more, my red friend accidently killed it (back stab instead of normal hit, fingure slipt on the quick key ><) and it was lying there for a few hours.

Was fun

=( I'd never do that to Aurora! Some people just shouldn't be given pets ::rolls eyes::

But speaking of pets vs farmers, if you really really want to annoy farmers, you party with them and get your pet to pick up the drops, as drops a pet picks up wont share out between the group ^.^ (this is also a good way to annoy your clan on hunts =P)

Like any other bug in any other game, I try to make the best of farmers until the developers can find a solution to the problem. I don't see how it is my responsibility to go red, or bring friends to thwart the effort of griefers. I very patiently wait the arrival of a patch in which the developers of the game address the issues in which expoits are present.

Or I go red and regret doing so after 3 minutes.

currently i have turned my main char sheero red for the one purpose of clearing ti of filth.. err farmers.
its been 3 days seince i went redf and already when a farmer sees me they either run or get friends >:)
i managed to get wowarking to drop a blue coral earing by scaring her to run accross the library and form a train
i died too but i only dropes a 100a tunic :)

i am surprised to see so many people vote "try to ignore them best i can". why? is it because they are too low level to take care of them efficiently? is it because they don't think it is their problem to take care of them?

if there were more people that actually did something to farmers, like people posting here, then the problem with farmers would be less. just the other day i was running towards giran and decided to peek into EG see if any of my friends are buffing lowbies when witnessed a takeover by a farmer group. 2 buffers, 2 archers and 3 dwarfs. in the end 4 or 5 people including me just griefed them like there was no tommorow while the other 10-15 people just did nothing even though they were the ones that were being KSed. why is it that there is so few people that take matters into their own hands? its not going to go away unless you do something about it.

one of the posters above said that he is going to wait untill NC does something about it, that farmers are bugs and NC is going to apply a patch for them. SNAP OUT OF IT DAMIT! NCsoft will NOT do ANYTHING about it. in fact, they would rather see a server wide war between farmers and 'legit' players. they ENCOURAGE players to take matters into their own hands.

If you ask me, farmers add alot to this game. If we didn't have farmers to kill/grief, what would we do while we weren't leveling up for endless hours? go outside? hahahahahha... but seriously.. it's so fun to kill the farmers because, well it just is. We can't get rid of them entirely because that would = less fun.. But we can't let them rule the game or else that = no fun... It's fine how it is now, an endless war hidden behind the curtains between farmers and people who just want to have fun!! :)

I tell you what.  If any of you missed it.  Aquaria was right on the money when she addressed this issue.

Now since there are different type of farmers that play and some of us post here..

I will remember that when a group of you are Orfen hunting or doing an Ant raid.  How about those of you looking for those divine materials?  Blue Wolf recipe? 

Ahh mmmm seriously, some of those that farm are not any where what some of you claim.  I bet half of you provoke issues with farmers and lose.. Come here and whine about it...

Oh well, thanks Aquaria.  I really did enjoy your insightfulness.

Now when will there be a meaningful thread posted?

well well well to keep them destracted i put around 1k adena on top of a rock that i hunt around. only I and a few people know how to get the money and it keeps there attention for quite awhile. other than that i stunn the hell out of them every time they ks me. If the retaliate i will sleep them and put every dot i have on them. kill if possible without going red.

Everyone needs a dark elf, with sting or just any char with stun.

farmers will avenge deaths, yet stinging is a more fun way to watch them die. One time i got manti shirt from a drop :). Killing farmers helps set them back somewhat. But if anything dont kill them unless they KS they your free to touch em. All people who havent gotten to 28/30 depending on class shud watch out, they may be low lvl but remember they d lvl.

THe only way to really stop them is to get poeple to stop ebaying... the people who ebay usually can play a lot SO i have something to say to you. MAKE TWO DWARFS, ARTISAN AND SCAV, IF YOU PLAY SO MUCH THAT YOU HAVE TO EBAY TO BE EVEN BETTER. the games not suppose to make competitions among friends, trust me my friend ebayed and I cant een trust him, escpecially when he asks me for items....

I like to farm the farmers.

w00t to that.

Best thing ive found to do is. whenever a group comes into the room im killing in and try to take over. i just drain corpse on thier spoils, and ks them every chance i get. you hafta wait for them to do a little damage i usually wait till they get 1/4 of the health down on a mob then nuke away.

so if you know of any DE spellhowlers. nothing pisses them off more when you drain corpse and prevent them from getting spoils. ive been called every so called bad name they know in english. mainly pig or dirty pig. i stood there one night and get a full level just from ks them for a couple hours.

I usually ks them, or get on a newby mage and kill em.. since my mage is 20... it's safe to say they are bots.. cause it takes about 9 hits to kill em.. PLENTLY of time for them to kill me hehe.

I do this alot long with others in my clan heh. Everyone knows Famers like to train stuff and do feign death and let it agroe on you and then they kill you. Or if they cant feign death, they stun you and then let them agroe on you while your stuned and they kill you. Well, DO IT BACK!! This is what i do im a human fighter so im slow, but i have ww2 and that is plenty for me, i go train alot of mobs my self if need be i take health pots to keep my life up i run straight into them especially mage bots heh, and then i go to options and click RESTART you automatically get takin out of the game and they AGRO on the FARMERS!! This works really well unless its a ww2 dwarf that can feign death but if they cant and they are mage/fighter, then there gonna die heh. This works well and neeeds to be used alot heh. THEY NEED THERE OWN DANG SERVERS!!!!!

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Ya forgot to add one poll option, get out my retired Phantom Ranger and tally up 75k karma in just a few minutes

I have taken out a few farmers using 'confusion'. Especially places like Cruma where the mobs are considerably stronger.

The best one I did was having Snipes all over me I ran into a group of farmers that had 'migrated' into our room. Cast Ult Def and confusion on the Snipe, lo and behold they went after the farmer's healer :p

Confusion has a low chance of working and long recharge, but became a quite useful way to take out healer farmers. Just use it every chance you get ( recharges ) and eventually you can dent them without 'actively' attacking them at all.

Like I said this works best on snipes because of their big damage and group tactics. Sure the farmers rarely drop anything, but it is poetic justice nonetheless.

Oh.. I don't do this often, reasonably often farmers turn on me for it, so I save it for when they REALLY aggrevate me. Normally I leave them to others to handle. On Devianne we had a couple of Reds doing farmer hunting in Cruma the other day, that was amusing to watch.

I agree with Slair.
If NCsoft would enforce the buying/selling of adena on ebay that would reslove this entire problem.

Think about it thoroughly. What do you mean when you say "farmer"??

Do you mean someone who is "logged in manned" and is fighting monsters over and over to make money? Then that is everyone who plays.

Do you mean a "non-logged in player", "unmanned" fighting everything insight? That is a B.O.T. not a farmer.

If it is B.O.T.s you are pissed at: There are 2 different kinds of B.O.T.s
1. Unmanned player just grinding out xp to raise without boredom and play when at work or when higher levels or in a good clan or whatever. But is just raising xp.

2. Unmanned B.O.T.s that are fighting everything in sight, ks, deleveling and are only raising money to sell on ebay.

Number 2 is the true problem in the game to me. EBAY has no boundry. If an Asian sells 2million adena on ebay for $60.00 or whatever that is like $500.00 in their country. Look closer to home (U.S) Asian money is about the same ratio as Mexico. You don't think it is worth their time to grind, grind, grind and sell on ebay then you need to think again.
On the one hand they are just trying to make a living like everyone else who goes to work each day. Yet it still pisses you off when trying to fight monsters and can't get to them.
Anyway, Last thought to think of:
How many farmer/bots do you see each day? try 100's
Each one of them is paying their $15 smackeroos per month. You think for one second that NCSoft is going to kick away all that money from 100's of paying customers no matter what they are doing in game? think again lol.
Organize, Organize, Organize. Get your server organized. Give you something to do and then go out and kill them, grief them or whatever.
As the one guy said above: It is a break from the boredom of the xp grind man!

[Edited by thefixx at 6:35 PM on 11/10/2004]

i very like this one

(Try to join their party, and use Party Recall)

Wish i have a level 56 elder!

There is one thing just about everyone who argues about farmers understands and one thing they fail to understand.

1. Everyone farms, that is correct. How else are you supposed to earn money.

2. 100% of the actually big-time "farmers" account share so they are online as long as the server is.

It is not against any rule to farm, but it is to account share.

I am getting as sick of typing this as people are sick of hearing it.

[B]thefixx wrote:[/b]

Get your server organized. Give you something to do and then go out and kill them, grief them or whatever.

Wee, gonna be hard to grief them if the stop selling their materials. then there won't be anough materials to make b grade weapons. ouch.

I can't say i hate farmers, because they keep prices low and make it easier to get high level gear, but farmers promote ebayers and ebayers i really don't like. However since i cannot tell who is an ebayer from who is just very industrious (other than ebayers tend to quote online prices when they try to buy), I really can't do anything against the ebayers.

My solution is to just not stress and enjoy the game as much as i can. Its still fun, and i can care less if some ebayer is level 75 before i do, i'll get there eventually and still PWNZOR him :P

Love,

[Edited by qualme at 11:21 AM on 11/12/2004]

While I hate farmers as well I also have problems with people killing "farmers" I have only been playing a couple of weeks and I am desperatley trying to get my XP and SP up so I can reach the dizzy highs of at least 22,  This has been slowed down by the fact that I have been killed not once not twice but at least 5 times by people who said ooops I thought you were a farmer.  I have no problem with people killing farmers but seriously how the heck can you know it is a farmer when you kill them as soon as they appear somewhere unprotected or if they are some poor schmoe like me who is still learning the finer points of the game therfore I chat very little while I am running around killing, I think there are some people out there who use the "thought you were a farmer" excuse to kill new people to try and get freebies.  All I am asking is at least give the person a chance to respond before killing, my response would normally be something like "please oh' please for the love of god dont kill me" followed by my char getting on her knees and begging for her life lol.  Take a moment to think of the new people in the game before killing or new players like me might start to get disheartened. :GRIN:

i normally leave them alone but as soon as i'm ksed once i quickly go to town, put my stuff in the warehouse or give it to a trusted friend whip out my summons and go farm the farmers or i'll poison everything in the area so they have less than half health so as soon as the farmer kills one of the mobs i pick up the money.

This is what we do with FARMERS ...

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What we all should do with farmers is stand our ground and kill them! I'm not the only one who's angry./

1) They always show up and kill steal from us.

2) They always have a High level to help them.

3) Hate them. Trane them. Stunn them. Kill them.

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