is there a character that doesnt have to spam soulshots,that is...cheap to build(he can manage with low end equip) and that is good at making money besides the dwarf (i cant play dwarf :D dont ask me why)
basically what is the next best thing in money making besides the dwarf

Make a DE chick and have her stand on the street corners of Giran....lol!!

I'm sorry I couldn't resist.

But seriously, I think pretty much all the characters are the same as far as spending money. The secret about not spamming SS is to grind in lower level spots where mobs would be easier to kill. xp won't be as great but xp is xp. But if you party with others you don't need top gear and SS. There have been plenty of times I've been in a non SS group. We just all agree not to use it unless necessary. And now, you don't need to buy heal pots or buff pots to grind. There are the new areas that the mobs drop all that for ya.

Try doing repeatable quests for cash. There is usually a money making quest for every hunting zone. You can also save money by not using the gatekeeper as often. I know it sounds crazy but it's true. I abuse the GK and before you know it you lose a big chunk of change just porting back and forth.

You can also try the manor system but I know I've given up on that. I just can't seem to beat Jijjkijjikkij and fgfgfglol (bots of course) to the manor guy every week.

Also you can use the newbie guides to get weapons now. Stick with those weapons at low levels and save money for A grades. And stay away from those over priced over enchanted weapons and armor pre B grades. They look cool and do well but you'll be stuck trying to sell them later. Well at least I did...lol.

thank you Drexos
i will definately not be making a glady
Been reading up on my wantings and i ve read about phantom summoner it can solo well,but i think he uses summon shots,and the crystals arent cheap either
So ill go dark elf nuker,they have range and i think they can one shot things withoput using spirit shots
any thoughts on my ideeas

Right, nukers dont use spirit shots, but blessed soul shots instead, not that much better.

i would say the best character to save on money would be one of the supporter classes. they can get buy with not using top end equipment and still be wanted for groups.

SH would be still a good second choice, their solo/duo play style means that they tend to get nearly all of the drops for themself instead of having to share with a group. downside is that if you cant craft your own equipment, you will be paying a premium on your mage weapons and the robe sets.

are there any toons that can solo catas? :D

BD and WC would come to mind for that. SWS to a slightly lesser degree. but catas solo is hardly effective (at higher lvls) for any class. most solo people have an out of party uffer/healer sitting close by.

kindwill:
are there any toons that can solo catas? :D

Warlock or PS can solo a small room or larger one carefully by "pulling" the mobs out 1 at a time.

Gurag you old fox,you want to make me make a buffer so i will be a party animal
ok you win,i`ll do a BD although i suspect it will cost me a lot and i will barely make even for the SS spam or BSPS what ever i use

BDs are not cheap, kindwill. Their equipment alone is a lot more expensive (save archer's) than any other class. If you wish to play a class that is cheap to level I would suggest some kind of nuker. Even though they use BSpS, which are more expensive per shot than SS for melee, they only need to use it once per mob. Sometimes twice (but then you should look for a better place to grind). SH are awesome for this because they can level practically non-stop thanks to their mana regen. Necros are like that too, but at some point (I can't remember the level), they can no longer regen mana as good. The necros are a lot stronger in PvP, however.
Playing a nuker, though, would mean that you will be soloing pretty much all your time, and that can be very very very boring and will most likely make you want to quit. Would be great if you could find some body to play an SE with you, then you can duo all day long.

As for soloing catas, pretty much any kind of melee DD class can do that if they have buffs.

darn
is SK cheaper?
can i pve with self buffs alone?

SKs are actually pretty darn self-sufficient. Probably one of the best melee solo classes. Although, it is a tank, so don't expect to go ripping through mobs... just faster than other tanks.
As for cheapness, well its cheaper than a BD at least. It will take the same to gear it out as any other melee in heavy.
And you can PvE with an SK with just your own buffs, but you'll have to grab some pots at least. And you'll probably want to use your cubics all the time too.

great
then its settled

O.o are you so sure? You have to think in the long run. What the heck are you going to do with him? SKs are no longer great for PvP. Sure they got boosted along with other tanks in one of the chronicles (was it C4?), but cubics were nerfed and so was LS.
And don't tell me you are not interested in PvP. This game IS PvP. There is nothing else. The grind is just so you can PvP more and better (and to regrind that lost xp).

idk
what can i become of a dark elf fighter?except for SK or BD (cause no way i`ll restart another char,dont like orcs,dwarfs,gladi i`ve heard is the most expensive and so on)
i`m not that interested in pvp
when i`ve read your post i said to myself too bad i dont like orcs because tyrant and destro are good in pvp and i think pve also,just self buffs and so on

dagger classes, prefferably TH, there crits save alot of ss, especialy the "lethal strike" er whatever the uber crit is, sense it removes around 75% of there hp instantly, not to mention at higher lvls u can stealth to any hunting location, which can provide some great team oppertunities that might not be available to non stealthers.Two of my irl friends started as TH and they are both 75x now and/or noble. I too started a th and am currently sitting at lvl 66, when u can randomly drop a 4xhp physical resist mob down to 25-35% hp in 1 hit (lethal strike), its a good feeling, not to mention profitable.

Just go Tyrant! You'll love it!

What level are you on your DE?

Nukers and Archers are very expensive I believe. I personally have a gladdy and found very little trouble trying to get money from levels 1-61 until A-grade. Although if you do not want to make a glad, try choosing any character you want and then make a dwarf artisan/scavenger to try to gain adena for your main.

[quote=Greatness]Nukers and Archers are very expensive I believe.quote]

I've only played one nuker and it definitely wasn't expensive. Not if you choose your hunting areas well and don't spam Bsps, I used Bsps manually.

It has been my cheapest toon yet, mind you I already had gear up to A-grade for it, but for PvE I almost exclusively used C-grade Demon robes and +10SoH.

seems like the OP is asking in regards to starting from scratch , with nothing, and single boxing, which is totaly different situation ^^

lvl 13 on my DE

Then you are not going to lose a thing if you decide to make a different race.

When my dad lvled his SK, he always was out of money due to cubics, but, that could have all changed since I haven't played seriously since C4.

I suggest a Caster of some type, or a buffer, since they can use NG weapons during D grade as long as they group all the time.