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How I Mine 4 Fish?  Posts: 72 Joined: 29 May 2004 | heh i agree the game is about pvp, but i dont agree that you should have to live with someone ksin your mobs. if you hit a mob people should be nice enough not to come and try to kill it for you. it makes lvlin nearly impossible if some one is ksin all your mobs. and the bots dont make the game challengin they make the game frustratin and a bore to try and play. i hope C1 fixes the problem
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How I Mine 4 Fish? Posts: 56 Joined: 4 May 2004 | I've been playing this game for only 2 and a half weeks, but in that time I've progressed to level 22 with my character and I have yet to see a recognisable bot or an adena farmer, and I've never had one bother me to the extent that others here are talking about. Maybe I've just been very lucky. Level 22 in 2.5 weeks. You were either twinked or somehow knew an amazing amount about playing and leveling in this game or you're making that up. I can already see your reply coming and let me head you off with "I don't buy it." Oh... and you've just been very lucky. Hitting level 22 in your first 2 and a half weeks of playing Lineage 2 and never once came across a recognizable adena farmer.
Were you trying to convince us or yourself with that post?
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Master Looter  Posts: 1169 Joined: 11 May 2004     | err... when open beta first started within 1 and half weeks (close to 2 weeks) i had level 25 palus knight.. it IS possible.. |
Apprentice Posts: 2 Joined: 30 May 2004 | I agree with the rest of the folks here ... and as I am ashamed to admit that I purchased 3 mill of adena from these lame louses .. I didnt think about the implications of my actions at the time. My thoughts then @ lvl 13 where "I am never going to have enough money to buy the GOOD gear due to the amount of time I play." So why not give my self a small boost and get some great gear for when I hit lvl 20. Granted 3 million in the grand scheme of things is not a whole lot. However it does still keep these guys in business. I think now as I am at lvl 20 and trying to hunt in places that are safe for me all I see are bots and adena farmers. Prime example for this is CoT in Orc lands. It is absolutely sick and maddening. What I will say to all of those that are contemplating purchasing adena for a boost ... DONT DO IT! The money will start to roll in when you break lvl 20 and start into the middle levels of 20's. For those that decide to purchase adena anyways ... youll feel the pain as I am when you hit level 20 and attempt to go where some nice drop and spawns are and when you get there you cant do anything becuase you have freak-knobs chasing you around saying craziness. XIO RANG SUM YUNG or whatever the hell that means. Best of luck to all of the the honest and moral players. Hopefully the bots/adena farmers wont kill the game. One last thing ... it would help definately if weapons and armor where lvl based and that skills are lost when you de-level. If someone at level 5 or 10 tried to use a kukuri it wouldnt even be able to be equiped or the damage and efficiency of attack would be so greatly reduced that they would die before they got a hit off. Good luck to all DarkinD |
Adventurer Posts: 267 Joined: 26 May 2004    | "Level 22 in 2.5 weeks. You were either twinked or somehow knew an amazing amount about playing and leveling in this game or you're making that up." The problem here is that no one here seems to be able to take me at my word. What's up with that? The fact is, I have a LOT of time to play the game - 8 to 12 hours per day, except on weekends. When I said that I'd been playing for two and a half weeks, I knew because I looked at my game receipt to check. I have indeed made it to level 22 without 'twinking' (I'm not even sure what that is, but I assume it's some cheat) in 2 1/2 weeks. In fact if I hadn't been so freaked out and demoralized by my first trip to the mainland, I would probably have done it sooner. If you still don't believe me I guess I could email you a screenshot of my character and a scan of my receipt, but it seems an awful lot of trouble to go to just to have you take me at my word. Anyway, if you're the doubting Thomas type you'd still assume I was 'twinked'. So far I've been playing about 8 hours per day. If it's amazing to level that fast, then I take it as a compliment. I did it all without cheating, so it makes me very happy that at least one person can't believe I did it. As for my not coming across adena farmers, let me clarify a bit. Basically, I'm not looking for adena farmers, so I may have come across lots of them without knowing it. I have seen people camping a spot for a long time, but if I see them doing that, I tend to move on - I don't question them to see if they're bots, and I don't let it bother me. There are always going to be people crowding certain areas of the game - be they bots, adena farmers, or regular folks - either way, they will cut down on my leveling speed if I stick around and compete with them. There's no point in competing for a good spot - you halve your XP by doing that. Far better to find an empty spot and kill slightly lower level creatures. [Edited by Beery at 10:35 AM on 5/30/2004] |
Looking For Group  Posts: 100 Joined: 25 May 2004 |
actually there is a guide and the title of it is: "how to get to lvl 20 in 2 days" so am not suprised, especially my room mate made it to lvl 20 in 3 days 8-9 hrs a day of playing, no bots no adenas, he just knew where to go to hunt because we showed him and how to lvl up, and his playing skills doesn't impresses me that much, first 30 lvl are easy, after lvl 35 and above it takes around 15-28 hrs of playing to get 1 lvl up. Once you know the best way of lvling it is easy to make new characters, I used to use a dwarf Artisian, took me around 12 hrs with my gf plvling the dwarf and being fully equiped with the top noch non graded gears, to make my ss/sps and give it to my gf to give it to the main, end result i saved up much adenas then spent on the dwarf.. |
How I Mine 4 Fish? Posts: 88 Joined: 25 May 2004 | I'm not calling you stupid Beery, but i do think you're ignorant. Why are you posting on this forum if you have never met an ebay adena farmer, or a bot? Why are you talking about something you have never experienced, or know about? After you have cooperated with an ebay adena farmer, or a bot and worked happily together you can come and be their defnendant. Otherwise do not start saying stuff about how you've never experienced it so we should all just shut up. However, you do know what theyre doing is wrong, so either be content with the status quo and keep it to yourself, or argue with us against it, but do not be detrimental to a cause that you know has the right in this case. There are millions of starving people out there, either donate money, or do nothing, but do not wave a sandwich in their face and then eat it while laughing at their longing faces. |
Looking For Group  Posts: 155 Joined: 10 Feb 2004 | There is really no need to start bashing other people, I do know this is a hot topic and I do know that people are disappointed and angry at NCSoft for their "passive" attention regarding this subject and many others. I do believe that NCSoft is trying to resolve this issue, but on the other and you have eBay that "supports" companies like IGE to put a front store on their website. So lets all refrain from calling other people or implying certain disabilities, its a game above all and we are all yuman (ferengi style). :) Kiss and make love |
Adventurer Posts: 267 Joined: 26 May 2004 | "I'm not calling you stupid Beery, but i do think you're ignorant." What part of the forum guidelines does that little rant follow? Are you finished insulting me? How am I supposed to take your post seriously when you start by showing that you haven't even the decency to treat me with the standard respect that any human being is due? Why should I respect your opinions when you start off by making a personal insult against me? Why should I treat you any better than you treat me? I could respond in kind, saying that you're ignorant, but I don't have to. You've already shown that very well yourself. "Why are you posting on this forum if you have never met an ebay adena farmer, or a bot? Why are you talking about something you have never experienced, or know about?" I do know about it. I was saying that it can't be that much of an issue if I've never experienced it. Oh by the way, I had my first taste of it last night. That's 3 weeks into the game. "After you have cooperated with an ebay adena farmer, or a bot and worked happily together you can come and be their defnendant. Otherwise do not start saying stuff about how you've never experienced it so we should all just shut up." Erm... when did I ever tell anyone to 'shut up'??? "However, you do know what theyre doing is wrong, so either be content with the status quo and keep it to yourself, or argue with us against it, but do not be detrimental to a cause that you know has the right in this case." Oh so you're saying that I can't tell you to shut up (even though I never did), but you're telling me to shut up unless I agree with you. Yeah, that makes lots of sense. "There are millions of starving people out there, either donate money, or do nothing, but do not wave a sandwich in their face and then eat it while laughing at their longing faces." Okay, I'm totally lost now. What was your point again? Oh, and I suggest you read the forum guidelines. You can be banned for the kind of thing you said in your post. Insulting people, rather than discussing the issue, is supposedly not tolerated here. Attack the argument, not the person making it. [Edited by Beery at 10:24 PM on 5/31/2004] |
Looking For Group Posts: 155 Joined: 10 Feb 2004 | Beery, from what I can read you are constantly creating/agravating on this thread and others, please don't do that, everyone has the right to their opinions like you do, if a person is bothering you in this forums report them, but if you answer them you will be just as guilty as they are. I'm not pointing fingers, but this thread is no longer about a solid and mature discussion about Farmers/Botters, it has turned into a flame post, pointing fingers and above all the LACK OF RESPECT that some people show regarding others opinions The patience from Warcry L2 Mods is a grand ocean...but it can dry out so, so quickly. I'm reporting this thread to the Mods for an action to be taken. |
Dungeon Crawler  Posts: 695 Joined: 12 May 2004 | Sometimes, not always, but when they take my kills they really piss me off |
Adventurer Posts: 267 Joined: 26 May 2004 | "Beery, from what I can read you are constantly creating/agravating on this thread and others, please don't do that," I don't do that. Others apparently get aggravated by controversial opinions - is that my fault? Of course not. This is not communist China - we do not all have to toe the party line. The fact that I've been abused in this thread when I've done nothing to anyone else except air an unpopular opinion shows that I'm the TARGET of aggravation, not its creator. I agree that this has become a flame fest. The flames are overwhelmingly directed at me, and arise purely out of people's intolerance of an opinion that differs from theirs. "everyone has the right to their opinions like you do" Apparently, some have more right to an opinion than others. If my right to my opinion was respected here, I wouldn't be the target of insult and derision, and this thread wouldn't be marred by flaming. I think it's incredible that many English speaking people, with their long history of civil rights, are so intolerant of ideas that don't agree with theirs. Let's understand something clearly - forums thrive on controversy. If people didn't argue issues from differing standpoints, internet forums would cease to exist. The trick is to behave civilly. Something that I strive to do. Others, it seems, do not strive to do so anywhere near as hard. It's a pity that these forums appear to be policed so poorly. I also must add that I find it funny that I'm being accused of 'aggravating' when I'm the one who has routinely been the target of the kind of abuse that directly contravenes the forum guidelines. Please exercise some fairness before you start crying 'Witch!'. All you have to do is look at the recent posts with some level of objectivity, and you'll see that I've always behaved civilly - I've not called anyone names here (except perhaps once in response to me being called ignorant), I haven't used coarse language. I wish the same could be said for other contributors to this forum who have often directed vitriolic and foul-mouthed abuse at me simply because I have the temerity to speak my mind, voice my disagreement, and refrain from marching in lock-step with the politically correct majority view. I am glad you're reporting the thread to the moderators. Perhaps they will deal with the abusers as detailed in the forum guidelines. Sadly, my experience, at least with one moderator, is that he tends to favour the majority view even when the majority are engaging in the worst forum abuses. Hopefully other moderators can be more objective. Hopefully they will understand that the airing of an unpopular opinion is not evidence of abuse. I've looked back on my messages here and I think I have shown a lot of restraint when confronted by flaming and taunting. [Edited by Beery at 2:48 AM on 6/1/2004] |
Ding! (Grats!) Posts: 38 Joined: 4 Dec 2003 | yes |
Master Looter  Posts: 1876 Joined: 23 May 2004 | Still I think that I have the best possible solutions. (Both requiring from NCsoft to log ALL the deals and adena/item transfers among players). 1. (The strict one) Ban all the accounts suspected in regular one-sided transfers of huge amounts of adena and/or expensive items. 'nuff said. You see, there are professional sportsmen in real life, and also amateurs that go in for sports just for fun, So, it is natural that they do not compete against each other, having their own tournaments matching their class and organization level. In cybersports, a casual player can't compete against a pro (who takes part in various tournaments and wins $20000 prizes) either, but at least he can always find a cosy server to play on. That's why I'd vote for segregation of all the professional farmers and ebaying cheaters from the rest of the community, in case you can't ban them once and forever. "Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam" (c) Marcus Porcius Cato |
Looking For Group  Posts: 145 Joined: 2 May 2004 | It was kinda fun yesterday, a group of us went bot-hunting. There are several botters in the TI dungeon - I'm sure you all know who I'm talking about. There were four of us in a party, and we were just minding our own business in the salamander room. Soon, one of the botters comes in, starts KS-ing constantly. We ask him to stop, and he ignores us, continuing to KS. Then, he makes the mistake of hitting one of us. Then, the lvl 25 DE and the 27 Human fighter drop him. About 5 minutes later, he comes back with 3 others. Another battle starts, and we actually kill 3 of the 4 and they kill everyone but me (i'm still white), but I run out of mana and can't rez my party mates, and the Undines got trained onto me, so I die. Back at town, we gather about 20 people, run back en masse, and just start piling on the botters. It was the funniest thing I've ever seen. Yes, some people did go red, but we helped them work off their karma. I think it's too bad that we have to go to such measures to ensure that the game is playable, but I also think that it's good that we can band together and defend ourselves. |
How I Mine 4 Fish? Posts: 88 Joined: 25 May 2004 | Beery, my post wasn't intended to insult you in any way, but then again, I live in NYC, nobody here would take offense from something like that. I guess my meaning of flaming and yours are just different. I'm not calling you over all ignorant, you seem like a very intelligent person to me, but you are ignorant to what we're talking about. Correct me if I'm wrong, but your stance is that, this is a problem, but something that we should be content with, something that does not warrant solving. I respect your opinion, and i think that you do not agree with ebay adena farming, or botting or such, but I don't understand why you don't feel it doesn't warrant action against it. We know the problem is there, why not solve it when there are so many easy ways too. If there are termites in your house, but its not affecting you currently, will you get rid of them? You, will because you know it will affect you someday, when your house collapses. These farmers are the termites of the game, and will crash the entire thing if we don't eliminate them. |
Master Looter Posts: 1876 Joined: 23 May 2004 |
"Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam" (c) Marcus Porcius Cato |
Adventurer Posts: 267 Joined: 26 May 2004 | ""I'm not calling you over all ignorant, you seem like a very intelligent person to me, but you are ignorant to what we're talking about. Correct me if I'm wrong, but your stance is that, this is a problem, but something that we should be content with, something that does not warrant solving. No. My point was that as far as I could see it was a problem - a very minor one - and it needed solving. But the GMs should solve it. Now that I realise that the GMs aren't interested in solving it, I've changed my mind. I've also come across a whole bunch of farmers and griefers since I last wrote on the issue. So I'm coming into line with the mainstream view here - but that doesn't mean that I should have been targeted for the abuse I received here (I'm not saying that the abuse came from you - there were many culprits) when I had an opinion that was different from yours. Based on my experience up to 2 days ago, my view was valid - I saw no botting, no farming, and little griefing. That changed the night before last. Just because others have a different experience to mine, it doesn't mean that my opinion - even if that opinion turns out to be based on a lucky streak of no visible farming, botting or griefing - is cause for abuse. "If there are termites in your house, but its not affecting you currently, will you get rid of them? You, will because you know it will affect you someday, when your house collapses." But if I don't see termites - if in fact they're not visible to inspection and are not affecting me in any way -, how am I supposed to get rid of them? Meanwhile, if other homeowners are pestering me, telling me that they have termites so I am an idiot if I don't see them in my house - and saying that although they haven't personally inspected my house, I must have termites, why should that make me any more likely to accept their view??? I simply wasn't seeing the abuse - it certainly wasn't affecting me, and other people said that I was a liar. How does that make me want to accept their viewpoint? Abusing someone, simply because they have a differing experience to that of the majority, is wrong. Up until two days ago, I didn't have termites. It wasn't that I just wasn't seeing them. They didn't exist in the areas of the game I played in. [Edited by Beery at 10:33 AM on 6/1/2004] |
Adventurer Posts: 267 Joined: 26 May 2004 | "Nope I guess he will stand up for termites' right to life and peaceful coexistence. Doesn't it sound like a good subject to start another controversial thread eh? " You see - some people can't help flaming, ridiculing, and making vague accusations of trolling. Why should that sort of disrespectful behaviour make me liable to accept their view??? Some folks here don't want to convince - they just want to start fights with those who have an opinion they don't like. [Edited by Beery at 10:30 AM on 6/1/2004] |
How I Mine 4 Fish? Posts: 56 Joined: 4 May 2004 | "If there are termites in your house, but its not affecting you currently, will you get rid of them? You, will because you know it will affect you someday, when your house collapses." But if I don't see termites - if in fact they're not visible to inspection and are not affecting me in any way -, how am I supposed to get rid of them? Meanwhile, if other homeowners are pestering me, telling me that they have termites so I am an idiot if I don't see them in my house - and saying that although they haven't personally inspected my house, I must have termites, why should that make me any more likely to accept their view??? I simply wasn't seeing the abuse - it certainly wasn't affecting me, and other people said that I was a liar. How does that make me want to accept their viewpoint? Abusing someone, simply because they have a differing experience to that of the majority, is wrong. Beery, you're using a different analogy entirely. In your analogy, the community itself would be equivalent to house in the one you are referring to. There is a problem in the community. The goal is to resolve it before it's all up in everyone's walls and the houses start collapsing as a result. If all your neighbors have termites but you do not, then it's very possible that pretty soon you'll have termites. It's a major annoyance for a large portion of the playerbase. If you have not experienced the problem and are not affected by it currently, it seems that would make you LEAST qualified to discuss it, however you seem unreceptive to any input from others as to the fact that the problem even exists. No one is 'attacking' you, rahter the tone of your posts are a little less than open-minded and in some cases condescending and antagonistic. Try taking a minute or two to read through some of the posts in this thread. It might give you a better understanding of what the problem is. It seems you haven't a familiarity with it and a reread might make you a tad more knowledgeable about what is going on in the Lineage 2 community.
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Master Looter Posts: 1876 Joined: 23 May 2004 |
"Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam" (c) Marcus Porcius Cato |
Master Looter  Posts: 1785 Joined: 4 Jan 2004 | Beery its getting bad when im getting reports of your behavior, i have read through your posts and you are allowed to have and voice your opinion but when you try and force people into believing the same way you do and bashing others opinions thats when its starting to get bad. I dont want to see another report about you in my messages. keep it clean and dont turn this thread into a flame post, everyone is entitled to thier opinion noone is to bash anyone else because they believe differently. |
Adventurer Posts: 267 Joined: 26 May 2004 | "Beery, you're using a different analogy entirely. In your analogy, the community itself would be equivalent to house in the one you are referring to. " I don't see that. The houses are the different areas that players play in. You can't say that farmers infest every area if the areas I was playing in didn't have them. Sure, there are farmers in the game, just as there are termites in the US, but that doesn't mean that every home is infested. Anyway, I think we're beginning to get lost in semantics. "If you have not experienced the problem and are not affected by it currently, it seems that would make you LEAST qualified to discuss it" So if some people don't believe in UFOs, does that make them unqualified to discuss the issue? Should we only credit the UFO believers as 'qualified to discuss the issue??? The fact that I wasn't experiencing the problem in no way disqualifies me from talking about it. "No one is 'attacking' you, rahter the tone of your posts are a little less than open-minded and in some cases condescending and antagonistic." So you'd say that the following were not attacks on me: Sidheru: "You are either ignorant to what we are talking about, or just plain stupid." sSDreamSs: "OMG...Beery u r such a moron" Zhelavar: "You were either twinked or somehow knew an amazing amount about playing and leveling in this game or you're making that up." If you don't think that these are personal attacks, and if you think that my comments have come anywhere near the abusive level of some comments, then you're the one who is being closed-minded. I mean you accused me of cheating, with absolutely no basis to make such an accusation, for crying out loud! I'm seeing a lot of hypocrisy on these forums. Hell, you should be apologising to me for calling me a cheat, after two other people have responded telling you that level 22 can be accomplished in far less time than it took me to achieve it. But do you apologise? Of course not. Instead, you go on pretending that I'm not being harrassed in this thread. [Edited by Beery at 1:52 PM on 6/1/2004] |
Adventurer Posts: 267 Joined: 26 May 2004 | "Well there certainly is a difference between an "opinion they don't like" and a plainly wrong opinion." Well my experience was such that at the time, the opiniopn was not wrong for me. I wasn't seeing it. In the end, the abusive comments I got were not written because the writers knew they were right. They were written because the authors simply wanted to flame me for expressing a different view. |
Adventurer Posts: 267 Joined: 26 May 2004 | "Beery its getting bad when im getting reports of your behavior, i have read through your posts and you are allowed to have and voice your opinion but when you try and force people into believing the same way you do and bashing others opinions thats when its starting to get bad. I dont want to see another report about you in my messages. keep it clean and dont turn this thread into a flame post, everyone is entitled to th |
Well I have to say, there is definitly a negative response on Kain server when the farmers tried coming into cruma recently... can't say they were welcomed warmly lol.
I also have fun with them. I just take my lvl 46 DA to TI... head to the elven ruin... wearing my none grade armor and short sword.. hit a few of them... solo some of thier mobs.. wait for the RANG RANG..... let them pile up... till there's about oh 5-6 of them including thier healer/buffer and start the fun. They usually hit one of thier own to get it going.... they go grape, it's all good for me. I switch to my comp armor and pull out my Sword of Delusion and go to town on them... rather, send them to town :WINK:. Now just to let everyone know, the healer usually spams a trade window on you to prevent you from using soulshots and skiils like stun and such... luckily I have 600+ pdef and a good weapon... oh ya, the panther has 328 p.atk, so it helps too hehe. I can usually ground them in 3-4 swings.... although I must admit the did get me to 664 hp's... so they arn't weak... they all died mind you... but they are not weak.
Just so that everyone knows, yes.. I have more than 10mil in gear, but every piece of it was bought through farming for adena. LONG arduous farming that would numb the minds of many and make weaker people cry(I did a few times). But when you get to have fun like that..... it's all worth it :). It's not that the cost of the items is impossible to get, it's just designed so that you don't have a weapon that is bigger than what you are supposed to have. HOWEVER, since most of the adena farmers actually lvl quite high then delevel them sevls they retain the skills that they recieved when they were higher, say in their high 30's. I'm hoping that this gets resolved in Chron1 so that they lose all of thier skill from the previous lvls. But I won't hold my breath...
[Edited by Baalroc at 5:45 PM on 5/29/2004]