which is better pvp and why?

DA because he has the cat, and he can reflect damage.
and he has hamstring to take down archers, usually takes a couple of tryes to land it tho.
(or use UD and use hamstrngs on mages)

and it hard to heal your self in the middle of PVP V's shield stun, but against other classes, paladin can use UD and just heal him self.
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there are a couple of other stratagies, but other the that they are pretty eaven, but i would say DA is better 1V's1, and paladin slightly better in mass pvp.

But as i say, there is hardly any diffrence, its just a choice on wether you want to be good or evil . . .

There's a huge difference between the two classes. DA is a slight DD tank who excels at taking damage and healing himself with drains... Paladin is entirely a support class who takes damage and heals others for the most part, not so much himself.

pfft. u had too disagree with me.

lol, theyre isnt a big diffrence, they are closer then any other two classes in the game.

Yeah, their skills are very similar, except for Pally having heals and DA having drains and the cat... but that in itself means they are played VERY differently.

I'd say the most similar ones are all archers, all daggers, BD and SwS, SwS-Sorc-SH. Even DA and SK. Yeah their skills are different but they are basically played the same way as each other with a twist.

istherecolor:
which is better pvp and why?

I've never played either.

But the only time I've seen a pally win in PvP is when the other player gets bored of trying to get through the high P.def/Shield/CP/HP/MP(heals)ect... and gives up.

I'd wait and maybe someone who's played either on the PTS might give you some info about C5. I beleive they R both getting a boost?

And even though dowsin has an opinion like everyone else. His opinion tends to vary from reality.^^ Or atleast from the reality of my server and the majority of other peeps I know on other servers.

DA > Pally.

I really don't wanna make an epic of a post, but the DA is much more powerful than a Pally.

DAs get a panther, a slow skill, offensive nukes, DoTs, whereas a Pally just gets heals and undead abilities, which would be awesome if you were playing WoW......

Fact of the matter is, DA can use hamstring to make any kiter usless, and then send his kitty to maul them to death. If the slowby knight can catch up, he can chain stun with his overpowered shield stun. If it were a pally, no slowing or kitty mauling would be involved and the opponent would just have a hard time getting through the pally's p def and heals - he'd be doing that with a DA anyway.

DA is better than Pally in being able to win 1v1 pvp, Pally has far more use in group vs. group, until C5 when they will both get boosts. I dunno if anyone rolled a tank on PTS tbh, it was such a joke people were just screwing around.

However, there is so few high level Paladins in general, you almost never see them anyway. Hard to deal with being unable to deal damage...

i gota say. there is a pretty big diffrence between the daggers.

TH is just run up and dagger, hes got a bit more HP and strongt mellee compared to the others. he is a all round kick ass class, no special abiltys though.

AW doesnt have fake death, he has low HP he sucks allot at being a dagger. but he has a little library of magic skills. (dont disagree you totally know its true hehe)
but he can do more damage then the others given a chance. ive played this class quiete a bit, its allot of fun, you can pretty stratigic with it, but i know first hand it dies easy, lol)

PW what i think is the best of the (you all have you opinion) he is in the middle of the two.
he has reasonable high HP and fake death. and a bit more evasion then TH so he stay alive just as well. his mellee atack is pretty pothetic so its a hard class to grind. but he has blinding blow same as AW that really eats MP but its totally worth it in 1V's1 PvP.
and on top of that he has slow(entangle),ellemental heal(another MANA eater), self m.def and Run speed buff.

so yah, if you think about it, PAL and DA are allot closer then TH and AW.
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tho you get what i was saying now about them being practicly the same.
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ive never really played archers classes much.

and yeah SpS and Sorc are totally played the same, so are SwS and BD.
maby not so much DA and SK bad that all depend on play style, bu SK is a million times better with mages wepons then DA.

downsin:
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tho you get what i was saying now about them being practicly the same.
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If U haven't figured it out yet. Very few people "get what you say" or agree with you.
I hope even U can see/agree with this^^.

watch your language

-skull

Play a Pali... who needs a PUSSY kat anyway!

downsin:
lol, thats because they are all noobs, who would get there a*** pwned by me using a bishop.

"get their a*** pwned?" @@ Ah...everything makes sense now.

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Man, do you look at anything besides skill effects? Daggers play practically the same in combat, their role is the same, their style is pretty much the same. They each have different flavor skills but in the end they are all trying to get behind you and stab you, and that's what they do.

INKWARRIOR5:
Play a Pali... who needs a PUSSY kat anyway!

hmm, interesting point

the small cat of DA is useless... i prefer paladin

are tanks better pvp if they get tats for +con, or +8 con even?

Can't go more than +5 with Tats alone.

If U + your con(which I think most tanks do) U drastically increase your survivability.

However, when you - STR or DEX you'll lessesn your DPS/Accuracy/Crit.rate/ect... Lowering these things generally decrease your ability to damage others. Other classes make up for this in skill use along with some passives.

For PvE if U R tanking then +5 to con would be good for a Pally. In PvP?hmm... well you can run around more trying to annoy peeps by stunning them and such. you'll always be the last man standing if U R on the losing side^^

-STR and +DEX and +CON is what you want for a tank.
(read giude to tanking on www.lineage2.com)

tho, when you have -9 STR you cant do much damage.

A tank, by design, is not meant to be a DD -- they are a TANK. Don't worry about damage output, concentrate on maintaining aggro and being able to stand in there and take a beating. The rest of your group is what deals the damage. If you can't understand this basic concept... DONT PLAY A TANK!!!!!!

And tanks will have a lot of ways to influence pvp beyond just their (crappy) damage in C5. Taunt works on PC's, roots, etc. and of course Paladin has his heals.

Tanks are hard to tatoo... In PvE str > all, in PvP you need Con.

I would say:
PvE: +5str -5con
PvP: -9str +4dex +5con

The dex will help the skills to reset faster (especially shield stun and hate/root in C5) and the con will make you last longer, str is not really a factor since you should be too busy hateing/rooting/stunning to actually hit someone anyway ^^

And on topic: I would choose a Pally, Angelic Icon is hot, Sacrifice is neat (especially once you are high enough for Touch of Life^^) and the DA's summon gets nerfed (less PvP dmg, erase, HP visible and so on).

INKWARRIOR5:
A tank, by design, is not meant to be a DD -- they are a TANK. Don't worry about damage output, concentrate on maintaining aggro and being able to stand in there and take a beating. The rest of your group is what deals the damage. If you can't understand this basic concept... DONT PLAY A TANK!!!!!!

it also says in the giude to tanking, that allot of tanks pick up wepons like bow and add STR to try and do some damage, and twist things around during pvp.

What guide to tanking are you talking about?

http://www.lineage2.com/guide/game_guides.html

Has quite a few nice tips in it, but own experience > guides ^^

Yeah seriously, guides don't mean much. NC says Glads are the best 1v1 class :P

can someone please tell me wtf the point of summon dark panther is if it consumes 15% exp?

Hmm.. I've never used a DA but it looks cool, acts as a dd, can be used to maul noobs^^.

istherecolor:
can someone please tell me wtf the point of summon dark panther is if it consumes 15% exp?

well im sure it probly helps you kill 15% faster.

and i havnt actually seen it my self, but i heard DA's can take like 3poeple on at once with the help of his panther. (but i was told this a while ago, c4/c5 dark panther is just a mob)

My EE can take 3 people on at one time.
If they R 10 or more levels lower with crap gear.
Root will even sometimes land. LOL.

DA + Panther is nice in alot of situations. 1v1 against archers, or anyone for that matter, when your being kited. Think about it. :/

As a level 70 Paladin, I can say that up until level 78 Dark Avengers are better in pvp than Paladins.
Obviously gear has a lot to do with it, as same level DA vs PA can be thrown off if one has a CP shirt, oe'd weapon, focus SA, pvp armor/weapon, etc etc.
Endgame paladins are unstoppable by anything but a tyrant.

Please do not resurrect old threads.