Adventurer  Posts: 322 Joined: 2 Apr 2004     | |
WarCry Choice  Posts: 5831 Joined: 29 Jun 2004     | That was quite a direct and somewhat rude way of putting it... AMEN! :lol:
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How I Mine 4 Fish? Posts: 94 Joined: 16 Oct 2003 | Nah the door needs to slammed on this poor excuse for a game, which is ruled by cheaters. |
Dungeon Crawler  Posts: 741 Joined: 28 Jul 2004   | sob sob, lil Timmy no like cheaters.......lol. IF YOU DONT LIKE THE GAME......GO!!! Thank God EQ2 is coming, all these whiners will finally have their Carebear game and can leave. L2 will be a MUCH better place without you! [Edited by -Hemi- at 10:54 AM on 9/9/2004] |
Ding! (Grats!)  Posts: 36 Joined: 25 Aug 2004 |
Yeah, make sure to go play eq2... So we don't have to hear you whine on these threads when you get ruled at that game too.... |
Master Looter  Posts: 2022 Joined: 18 Apr 2004   | You see legit players leaving in droves and instead of stopping to consider what this means for the game, you can only say "d00d u r teh g4yl0rd 4 p0st1ng taht u r quitngg!!111one"? I take it you're one of the cheaters in question? |
Looking For Group Posts: 141 Joined: 28 Apr 2004 | First poster doesn't know what a capital letter is, sqeezes in a stfu and then displays genuine originality with his "ass/door" scenario. We've never heard that one before. Second poster agrees, as is his right. He does so almost with a hint of humor, a very small hint. Then we see his name and understand a little more. Next up is Hemi, a literary genius who not only posted garbage but had to edit it to get it that good! Then Antipop steps up and inspires with such gems as "when you get ruled at that game too...." and even manages to get a "biatch" in his sig, grats man. You can almost picture his little monkey fists shaking with the excitement of sharing a gem such as this with us as he bashes the keys hoping to make some recognizable words. I'm just curious as to that makes you think we would rather read your badly thought out semi-illiterate garbage than a well thought out critique of the game by someone who is leaving?
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Master Looter  Posts: 1785 Joined: 4 Jan 2004  | First off, none of you have the right to tell anyone not to come and post here. None of you have the right to tell someone they can't say goodbye, and possible leave a reason. This game is infact falling apart and people are trying to let others know whats going on, some more than others...wont mention any names. So i dont want to see threads like this because all your trying to do is start flame wars. |
Adventurer  Posts: 342 Joined: 22 Aug 2004 | You all heard the man. Unless you want to get kicked out stop posting crap. Oh and stitchy kicked bloodloss out on his butt plz:) Pretty plz? |
Adventurer  Posts: 408 Joined: 15 Aug 2004 | I am always dissappointed when I see "I am leaving posts." They are too often accompainied by "Can I have your stuff?" posts. Granted, there are many people that deserve that sort of treatmeant with their "THIS GAME BLOWS" style. But when a person who truly liked the game, who truly wanted it to succeed , leaves, they do not deserve that sort of BS. I personnally think there is little that is related to the game that is sadder than these events. So if they are a**holes about it, sling them the crap they deserve. But do not assume that these people are leaveing because they are "whiners" who cannot take the cheaters/bots/etc. Perhaps once all that is left is the people who really care, then the game will be better for it. But one person leaving is just sad. |
Dungeon Crawler  Posts: 561 Joined: 26 Aug 2004 | Call me crazy, but I just refuse to give up on this game. Where I can understand people's frustrations presented in many threads created solely for the reason of trying to convince others to go with them, I do also feel they are not totally neccessary. I'm not going to say they should not be allowed to make those threads, but I would assume from thier point of view, that there would be no reason to post a goodbye, lest it be to bring to some close friend's attention they are departing. I do feel some of the people leaving could at least do it in a more tasteful fassion, like some of them, but many are filled with "OMG this gaem is teh crap, ur all dum to play, i'll own u when EQ2/WoW comse out!" I do not mind complaints about the game, NCSoft policies, and farmers, as long as they are done tastefully. I give Bloodloss credit in that when he sites a complaint or brings a flaw to people's attention with a thread or post, he usually does it well. It is well thought out, well written, sometimes it makes me even think he outlined it and made note cards before writing the post, hehe. As for my relation to the game, which I have made clear a couple other times in other threads, I still feel Lineage 2 has enormous potential. I feel that perhaps with the release of WoW and EQ2, the population on the servers of L2 may thin out some, farmers and legit players, as they all spread to the other games. As of now, L2 is the most recent "next gen" mmorpg and it was released with next to no big name rivals, much like when Sega released Dreamcast only for it to fail, regardless of the quality of the system. Hmmm... that analogy may not be 100% accurate :), but it works for me right now. I am sticking with L2, because I think when WoW/EQ2 releases, the population will thin out and then things won't be so crowded and there won't be such a high quantity of farmers. That is what will happen in my opinion. The argument that L2 is a piece of rock that has yet to be crafted into a diamond was brought up in another thread I read, and I find that to be quite true. It feels almost as if NCSoft was trying to get a headstart on the other companies be prematurely releasing this game, but I still have patience for that and am anxious to see the game evolve and mold into the diamond it was originally intended to be. I really don't know if all of this post was needed for this thread, but I hope someone appreciates it. |
Master Looter  Posts: 1456 Joined: 21 Jul 2004 | Schall, I couldn't have said it better myself. I feel the same way. There are cheaters in everygame. There are cheaters in Las Vegas casinos. They get what is coming to them, one way or another. Just don't be one of them. There are also whiners. Let them whine. If any of you out there have kids (not dwarves, but REAL kids) you know that if you give your child attention every time he/she cries, they cry every chance they get. Well, there are kids in here crying, and by flaming them, although you don't see it, you are fueling their fires. I used to do the same thing. Just wanted them all to go. Now if they say they are leaving in the post, I usually just smile, because it is one less person in game to be whining in town. Granted, the game needs a lot of work. If you do not feel that this game is worth the $15 you pay every month, I would suggest leaving, until you see any major improvements to your specific grievance with the game. I will not be going anywhere soon, as I haven't found anything that bothers me so much that I have to complain and leave. As to Bloodloss, I agree that your posts are well thought, and well stated. Unfortunately, I find them very repetative. Of course, when the problem is repetative, you have reason to say it more than once. I hope your quest to hunt every farmer down ends successfully. I want a copy of the video ;) |
Adventurer  Posts: 405 Joined: 17 Jun 2004 | Schall, not only do I agree with your politics (from your previous signature), I also agree with your post. I see a lot of people complaining that L2 is headed down the drain, but I don't think I'll ever give it up. I'm in it for the long haul. While I never like to see a player leave the game, I wouldn't begrudge them the liberty of posting their reasons here in these forums. Thanks for the insight Schall. It looks like you and I are in this one together :) |
How I Mine 4 Fish?  Posts: 52 Joined: 16 May 2004 | /clap Schall I can see my own thoughts about the game in your words.. plain and simple :) So clearly expressed, so nicely written. Any chance we got more of this on the forums? :D
My dear Scila sends you a warm kiss Schall :p
Scila, 31 female Assassin on Erica
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Dungeon Crawler Posts: 741 Joined: 28 Jul 2004 | Hey Den! First. If what we 13yo's wrote was so filled with "garbage", why got to the trouble of re-hashing it all? Are you a grade school english teacher with the hots for little boys? Why else you care if someone spells incorectly? This is a forum for a freaking video game! WHO CARES! Second. I have NEVER seen a whiner post with a well written critique of the game, or any real opinion of the game at all. I actually love the fact that so called "legit" players are leaving. I see fewer and fewer idiots trying to kill gatekeepers. This game is getting better everyday! I guess what we need is a "Game sucks, I'm leaving" forum to post in, then I could be spared even seeing the headers for all of the EQ2 fans that find it too hard to be productive in an invironment that doesn't favor laziness or stupidity. I guess there wont be any bots/cheaters/farmers/scammers in that game? The only way for someone to avoid those products of online gaming, is to not play games online. So in conclusion to all the whiners......I hear Halo has a new mod. Maybe you can find your place there. |
Looking For Group Posts: 105 Joined: 13 Jul 2004 | It's just sad how much pride some "hardcore" players take in a game. They seem to fail to realize there are different kinds of people out there, and they each live a different lifestyle. Some people work hard, have family, and just want to play every now and then for fun. Then there are people who play like 10 hours a day, trying to get to level 50, so they can brag about it to fellow computer geeks. I don't have a problem with people who play casually, or those who play day and night. But I think the ones who insult others for being "carebear" are very ignorant and pathetic. |
How I Mine 4 Fish? Posts: 79 Joined: 1 Sep 2004 | I sorta of touched on this the other day with a post in another thread... but anyway, here goes. If you don't like the game and really see nothing redeeming in it, then it's a no-brainer: quit playing it! There are SO many other ways to use your free time. By all means, move on. You'll have neither my contempt nor my praise, just my understanding. As if that really matters! =P But... I really don't see the need to make a melodramatic exit speach. It's really a selfish thing to do. If there's a few special people you made friends with in-game, then just " them or pm them here or whatever and let them know. The vast majority of people posting here post here (and read here) because we actually like playing this game, warts and all, and it is sort of a drag to read these posts about how "L2 sucks" or "WoW is gonna be better" or "I'm quitting when EQ2 comes out." You know what? Yay for you guys. But why the need to spam your anti-L2 point of view? It's pretty immature when it's done that way and doesn't really impress anyone, at least not me, that's for sure. Some people who post flames against "carebears" who leave for other games prolly just like an excuse to flame. Every board has those people, it's inevitable. And some people who flame the "sob I'm leaving" people are prolly L2 fans sick of anti-L2 posts. It's all so typical on boards dedicated to an online rpg. You see it on the FFXI boards, you saw it back in the day on the PSO boards, and on the EQ boards, blah blah blah. If you wanna go, just go. If you need to make a big deal out of going don't be surprised to see people flame you if you flame the game on your way out. And if you're STILL hear and you've already quit: check yourself! What the heck are you doing here? Personally, I've played a good amount of online rpg's now (FFXI for well over 300 hours, PSO for over 1000 hours, SWG for over a hundred hours, EQOA for well over a hundred hours) and I like this game, Lineage 2, better than them all, and I'm having more fun than all of those games except PSO. I liked PSO a ton also, and although it's very different, the fun factor is about the same for me. Bottomline: you rarely get people on the boards posting to simply say "I like this" or "This part of [Game X] is awesome!" Sadly, the people that post and with the most amount of thought and emotion are griefers. In part, it's what floats their boats. Not much you can do about it. However, I really do like this game, and I like this site. I hope some people who mostly read here and post very little (like me) will realize their not alone in -- gasp! -- actually liking L2 and not having massive problems with every little detail and every post that is made. |
Master Looter Posts: 1785 Joined: 4 Jan 2004 | No, you see i can do something about flames its what I do. Flames are not permited on these boards...people have a right to say goodbye and why they are leaving. On the other hand people DO NOT have the right to flame that person for his beliefes. I dont care if its enevitable i will limit it as much as possable because its my job...thats why im still here on l2 warcry...I quit L2 a long long time ago. The game is bad, the idea is good everything WOULD be good but the community sucks, plain and simple a vast majority of the game are cheaters (adena inc as bloodloss calls it) and jerks. My point is, if you dont like what someone said in a post...then dont respond to it...if your going to say something offencive rude or anything going into the personal realm then think befor you post. Nobody wants to see a bunch of flames people making fun of each other because of thier beliefs, people play games to have fun and get out of how they may be treated in reality. People hang around these boards because there are many nice, well mannored, inteligant individuals here and its always fun to have discussions and debates on a civil level. But comming on the boards and posting about how u dont care that people are leaving and that your tired of threads like this and flaming people that make those kinds of posts is uncalled for, all your doing is trying to make more trouble. |
How I Mine 4 Fish? Posts: 79 Joined: 1 Sep 2004 | Well, to each his or her own. I'm not sure if your post, Sticky1503, was directed at me, or to the topic creator, or to someone else. I was just posting my take on things in this topic and my experience on boards over the last three+ years. Didn't mean to offend you, and while I'm a little puzzled that you'd continue to moderate a board dedicated to a game that you state "is bad" that's your prerogative. And you do seem fond of many of the posters, so that certainly makes sense I guess! Personally, I like this game, and the more I read and post here the more I realize I need to take my own advice: leave. Boards these days get so negative so fast. We're all so amazingly spoiled by how good video games have gotten and how much they offer. I recently turned 34 and have been playing video games since literally Pong and Colossal Cave (text adventure on Compuserve back in 1980 via my Atari 800 computer, when I was 9). To me L2 is a dream come true, especially when held against the solo-less FFXI mirror. I don't care about Adena Inc. because the items I buy are set at static prices (npc's) and thus Adena Inc. has limited (indeed almost no) ability to change the market, since there really is no market (save for private stores). In FFXI everything is market driven by the AH (Auction House) so gil (aka adena) merchants really DO screw up the game, as do NM hunters and the like. If the main reason to hate adena inc. is their TOS-breaking lameness that's one thing, I guess... But if it's jealousy at others having über stuff... well... who cares what others have? We choose to play with others (or not) and who to play with. I happen to meet cool players in-game almost everyday, many of whom are like me and just starting out and it's cool. A lot of times we duo to take out tough monsters or just informally duo (without grouping) to fight back-to-back in an area. If a red comes by we run. No biggie. If someone's spouting weird racist stuff or nonsense and it continues I just add them to my ignore list. Problem solved. Our ability to enjoy this game in our own way is tremendous. I dunno, not saying it's perfect, and I am afterall only a few weeks in, but I'm just floored by this game and truly amazed at all the griefing about L2 going on in the boards. I think, sometimes, that many people who post a lot are looking for a game that provides such a perfect escape, such a complete life (or at least entertainment) replacement that anything less than perfect will disappoint, leading to the endless string of people trying newer and newer games and failing to smell the roses. We all-too-quickly forget what drew us in: the spirit of adventure, which can and is enjoyed by at least some to this very day in this game. Ah well, reading over what I just wrote, I'm probably pissing people off, since it seems I'm in a minority and not even the moderators here like the game. Me, I like it. Maybe I'm just weird. Cya guys. Gonna cut this link now and go back to playing L2 like I played PSO v1: board-free. |
Looking For Group Posts: 105 Joined: 13 Jul 2004 |
Well for starter, getting the guy's name correctly may avoid that... |
How I Mine 4 Fish? Posts: 79 Joined: 1 Sep 2004 |
Stitchy1503, sorry about that. Your name is in a graphic and I usually copy-and-paste people's screen names to avoid just what I did: mis-typing it! I'm really bad at remembering names and I mis-read your name the first time. Anyway, this really does feel like a topic (and a board for that matter) where it's impossible to achieve anything like a win-win with people since even the moderators are negative about the game and the game's players. Now I am out. It's after 5 on Friday and I'm logging off. I wish you guys well. This really is a well built site. Hope some of you can find the fun in this game, and if not, that you move on to things in life that you do enjoy! I suspect I'm not the only person to find this site only to be turned off by all the negativity (cue the "boo hoo police"), but whatever. Ciao. |
Adventurer  Posts: 283 Joined: 1 May 2004 |
I must say... it has been quite some time since I have agreed with you at all bloodloss.... I agree with you in this case... which as i said, recently has been rare. I am a huge MMORPG fan and have been on many different games myself... In any other community that was worth a crap, if people were leaving in droves, people would want to know what the hell was going on. I remember in EQ when warriors swarmed the PoT stone in the POK in protest to damage mitigation. Man there were soo many war's around that stone. Everyone wanted to know what the hell was happening.. and guess what... something was done! The lineage 2 community is so debunked and rife with corruption(at least on my server) that those that work hard and diligently are far and few between. I won't fault anyone who wants to say a last goodbye to some friends they made along the way... isnt that what Online role playing games are about? |
Master Looter Posts: 1785 Joined: 4 Jan 2004 | eh not a problem a bunch of people mess up my name :P. |
Apprentice Posts: 2 Joined: 12 Aug 2004 | I left the game awhile ago myself. I didn't say a goodbye on the forums cause I really didn't participate in discussions on the forums. I usually just spent a lot of time gathering information on the game here. Also I figured I would just get flamed. I still come to the forums every now and then hoping to see if anything has been done about the adena farmers/bots/etc. I had a difficult time playing the game because the bots would take over hunting/quest spots. The farmers would also train me with mobs to get me killed if I stayed in their area for too long. I really did enjoy playing the game a lot. However, in the end, the bot takeovers and rudeness from farmers telling me to leave in English or other language and then trying to get me killed if I didn't, kind of wore on me a bit. Don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining. Don't have much of a reason to since I'm not playing anymore. I think maybe some people say goodbye and then state the reasons why because they are leaving with a final hope/wish. That maybe something might be done about the problems which caused them to want to leave. Anyway, have fun! |
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just go, we don't need to hear it. do you honestly think you have an obligation to "internet friends"? please, just stfu, and don't let the door hit your ass on the way out