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My original intent was to ask the gaming community if I was disturbing the in-game environment so much to deserve a ban.  However the responses has gone off topic so I am deleting the original post and anxiously awaiting the verdict from NC Austin investigation into my logged complaint on their website.

[Edited by Astagio at 1:31 AM on 11/1/2003]

I will ban you NOW KAKAKAKKA. How can you say such thing??

They must have been after you for some other reason and just used that as an excuse.

See top message.

[Edited by Astagio at 1:33 AM on 11/1/2003]

Hey it happens I'm pretty sure it won't be like this in Lineage 2. I myself am permanently banned from Lineage 1. One thing happens and they'll pull up your whole record and find any and everything to ban you. Lineage 1 monitors are a little harder on offensive language than most because most words are blocked by the game and if you can say them its because you caps them or spaced them.

Being banned for 3 days for what you said isn't what's bad. Its that people say much worse on global chat all the time and don't get punished.

I can't believe that after you got banned the first time you logged onto two other accounts and preceded to do the same thing that got you banned right before...

I mean its really really stupid to ban you in the first place but at the same time you must have been one of those kids that never learned the stove is hot.

The word "frigging" can be spelled exactly as is in the game.  Anyone with a lineage 1 account go and try that out in local chat (please don't do it on global chat).  I know for a fact that words considered offensive are filtered out but the word "frigging" can be spelled in its entirety with no additional spacing or capping it.

"I can't believe that after you got banned the first time you logged onto two other accounts and preceded to do the same thing that got you banned right before...

I mean its really really stupid to ban you in the first place but at the same time you must have been one of those kids that never learned the stove is hot."

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I deserved a meaningful and courteous explanation why the monitor thought my usage of the word "frigging" was offensive.  The monitor provided no explanation and so I asked the community and got banned for asking them.  Did it again the 3rd time to get banned again.  I am no kid and I deserved at least an answer to why I was banned in the first place.  I am apologetic toward the monitor that he/she may not had everything going for him/her at home or not but to turn that frustration on a player is not the right thing to do.

"How can shadowbane be much better when the frigging NPC won't even appear when you are right over them?"

Again, I ask if he above sentence is offensive toward you and does it warrant the banning of my account in the first place?  Secondly, does it warrant banning my second and third account when I try to communicate with the global community on their opinion of it being offensive?

All I want to hear is the honest opinions of fellow gamers if what I said was offensive or not?

[Edited by Astagio at 12:20 PM on 10/31/2003]

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Astagio wrote:

Secondly, does it warrant banning my second and third account when I try to communicate with the global community on their opinion of it being offensive?

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         I personally don't find the word offensive, but obviously the monitor thought it was. You shouldn't of went back and said it 2 other times after first getting banned. Obviously it does warrant banning the other 2 accounts because the monitor said it was inappropriate. Although, the first one you should of at least got a warning or something.

I dont think u diserved the first ban cause well lets face it worse words have been said, but the second one was kinda ur fault for saying it AGAIN and the third time was, 100% ur fault for SAYING IT 3 times did u want to get 3rd account banned?

Banning is the final action CSR, GM, or MONITORS take when a player continously disrupt the community.  In this case, I highly doubt this monitor banned me because the community thought I was disruptive.  That was the only sentence I said on global chat after several hours of hunting in the game followed by my burning desire to ask the community if they thought the word disrupted their gameplay.  I received the email the monitor promised I would get and in it, it does not state ANY specific reasons as to why I was banned other than that I used an inappropriate word.

Anyhow, I'm tired of thinking about this issue.  I have 3 accounts for the taking...adenas in the millions and uber items.  Will I be able to ebay these accounts?

Note - I do have screenshots of the moment I was banned to the final account being banned.  In all instances there were no profanity toward the monitor or anyone other than asking the community if what I said in response to several other players offended the community.

Are said moderators Koreans who speak broken English/English as a second language? If so, I could see how a language barrier could lead to this. Frigging is a slang word in English for "f*cking," so they might directly coralate the two as one  due to not understanging our dialect completely <shrugs>. As for Ebaying it, don't give your in-game character name(s) or account name(s) to anyone other than the buyer, as some companies will delete an account if they found you sold it--dunno if lineage is like that.

Best luck, and if L2 US is ruled by tyrants I can easily see it falling out of manstream favor by people passing it up for something not overseen by Hitler--there's alot of other good games out.

Really I don't understand why you bothered talking to the community at all.. Its not like they have any power over the issue.. What you should have done is contact the monitor or gm or whatever and talk to them about it to get it squared away.

I'm not going to post anything negative anymore other than state the fact that game montiors are normally there to monitor and make sure the gaming community inside the game is NOT disturbed by an individual(s) disrupting gameplay.  If there is one thing I do understand about gamemasters and monitors is that they are the voice of the in-game community, taking actions when they have receive complaints from 1 or more fellow players and not taking the actions simply because they felt like it.  In my case, I believe the law was laid down on me simply because the monitor was in a bad mood.  Whatever his/her reason for banning my accounts, they have lost a long time and dedicated PAYING customer. 

I am a small morsel but a ripple in the pond will ripple thru the entire pond and others will sure to be on the watch for the tyrants.

[Edited by Astagio at 9:16 PM on 10/31/2003]

they lost a paying customer :( i guess they have to resort to ... a measley 4 million others who pay and dont continue to test them by saying it 2 more times regardless of their mood.

Dont take this wrong way. You were an idiot for logging in the other two accounts and getting them banner by argueing over the first account. I do agree that the mod had no reason for banning you for the word frigging.  Personally instead of acting like you did, I would not have said a word to get the last 2 accts banned and I would have contacted someone by phone and explained what happened and get action taken

Fact is that almost all admins are subjective and are not tested or trained or just intelligent enough for their position.

Example: I used to play counterstrike alot and with alot i mean on daily bases of at least two hours. I can say without losing my modesty that i belonged to the best non-clan players. On one occasion somebody who just started playing started name calling me and i was tricked into replying "shut your hole" because he was really messing with the gameplay for everyone. The noob who was just playing for a week got admin rights from his friend who was an admin on that server and i got kicked for 10000 minutes. I'll never play counter strike again. I'm not a bad person, on the contrairy, i'm a very friendly person. But when you start to see more situations like these popping up in online gaming it's just a matter of time before it gets to you and you find out who the retarded administrator is letting the police find him in the back of a game-store with hardware sticking out of all bodily orifices. I just want to say, don't let anyone trick you into saying something they can use against you. Take comfort in the fact that it's just a power-tripping four-eyes who likes jerking of on "Mein Kampf"

[Edited by Damien at 12:30 PM on 11/2/2003]

Not to drag up old subjuects but....

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Damien wrote:

Fact is that almost all admins are subjective and are not tested or trained or just intelligent enough for their position.

Example: I used to play counterstrike alot and with alot i mean on daily bases of at least two hours. I can say without losing my modesty that i belonged to the best non-clan players. On one occasion somebody who just started playing started name calling me and i was tricked into replying "shut your hole" because he was really messing with the gameplay for everyone. The noob who was just playing for a week got admin rights from his friend who was an admin on that server and i got kicked for 10000 minutes. I'll never play counter strike again. I'm not a bad person, on the contrairy, i'm a very friendly person. But when you start to see more situations like these popping up in online gaming it's just a matter of time before it gets to you and you find out who the retarded administrator is letting the police find him in the back of a game-store with hardware sticking out of all bodily orifices. I just want to say, don't let anyone trick you into saying something they can use against you. Take comfort in the fact that it's just a power-tripping four-eyes who likes jerking of on "Mein Kampf"

[Edited by Damien at 12:30 PM on 11/2/2003]

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Damien, I have to say your point is valid and invalid all at the same time.  I understand the feeling of being "handled" by an administrator, but your counter-strike example is a poor one for this argument.  A counter-strike server can be started by anyone! When there are 10k to 30k servers up at one time, getting banned from one should not be a big deal.  When something happens in a CS server its better to move on than fight to get back on the server.  Now a game like Lineage or L2 is a different story.  The servers are hosted and monitored by NCsoft.  I obviously came into this conversation way too late but....It is my opinoin that any player that has a problem with a decison made by a GM, they should have a fair chance voice their opinon out of the game space!  The game is no place to pound out differences in opinoin. 

I asked for a manager to review the case if possible and filed a complaint on their website.  I received a response on Monday afternoon that the bans were removed.  In any case, I have my accounts back now but this event has totally changed my view both positively and negatively toward NC Soft in Austin.

Monitors are the worst part of Lineage1, I'm not even going to bash their knowledge of the language which is spoken on US servers but my friends all got banned (the whole guild even those who weren't on, including lvl 52, and lvl 58 guys) for making money off castles, which is somewhat understandable since it could be considered exploiting, still too extreme if you ask me.  Then my friend gets banned for saying: "I'll kill myself if i don't get [something]" apparently the language barrier prevented monitors from understanding that it's a figure of speech.  Forget the name of the guy who i think was one of the first deathknights who got banned for being on too much thus more than one person had to be playing him, that happened about a year ago.  Examples are many.  I just hope that Lineage2 doesn't go Lineage1 route but for some reason my gut is telling me that it'll be the same crap again with NC running the show.

my example of the counterstrike administrator involves a big gaming community server, xs4all.

I know what you mean, but... ANYONE can start a CS server!  Big... little... whatever.  I have 5 CS servers and sell bandwidth and serverspace to the highest bidder.  I currently have 10 servers leased to any "shmoe" clan that pays the bills.  I have no say in who they ban or who they make admin because they lease the space...it's theirs!

Now MMORPG's are different.  You are a paying customer.  This changes the playing field.  You pay for a clean, fair, and fun playing environment.  FPS games (like CS) have an average of 20 ppl. per server.  A MMORPG has....1000? to 4000?  Managing that gamespace is much more difficult.  Thats usually why to make the game work you need paid GM's to run it.  I have played many MMORPGs and I have had good and bad expriences with GMs, Admins or whatever one might call them, but to judge all games in general by your experiance on one server (or set of servers) with one game is not fair.

I have a positive outlook on the administration of a game until I'm proved wrong.  So I will just wait till Lineage 2 goes beta and I will ask the first GM I see what his/her favorite kind of ice cream is.  (You can always tell how nice a person is with what kind of ice cream eat.)