Hi

I'm sure most of you have heard of what i'm gong to post about sonly onlines solution to people selling on money and items on ebay for EQ. A couple of days ago i was talking to a mate who plays EQ non-stop about the problems with adenna farmers on L2 and he told me that EQ is implementing a system where you can buy items/game money direct from the game with your account details. EQ has obviously had similar problems with people selling on ebay and if a company like Sony Online can't stop it (and from what i've heard they actualy take action when you call a GM in that game, even against KS'ers and griefers!!!) So they've decided to bring in the system where you can buy direct from them. What a great idea!

Shame L2 doesn't do it as well, as all they are concearned about is making money and not customer happiness it seems like the perfect solution to me. Ok i know someones going to say but that'll ruin game balance! Yes, maybe, but that has allready happened and is going to continue happening reguardless cause of adenna inc. People who want to buy themselves ahead are going to do it no matter who they have to buy it from.

So why am i advocating this idea?

1. Sell direct and in one fell swoop it'll take out all the adenna inc and ebay sales, as when you can buy legit why do something illegal and risky?

2. No adenna inc means goodbye to nearly all those rude ,kill stealing, foreign devil, farmers. :)

3. Ends the whole "racist" issue that some keep harping on abaout. Once you get rid of the farmers, the only people who'll be playing will be people who want to play for enjoyment (and GM's..lol) so people won't care if someones CN or whatever cause it'll only be another player. Except this time not likely to be one whos ruining the game for others.

I'm fully aware i'm going to get flamed for this, but just think on a couple of things.

NC have shown time and time again that they don't give a flyin f*%k about genuine players and complaints and as such they are not going to do anything positive. Lets imagine for a moment that they have a change of heart and wake up and say "wow how stupid have we been, we should love our customers and try to make their gaming experience the best we can etc"..LMFHAO SHIPM (laugh my fat hairy a$$ off, so hard i pi$$ myself, for whomever no doubt will ask what that stands for..:P ) Well even if they do, they will never be able to stamp out ebay farmers (they could make it harder for them but that won't stop it) So with in mind that people are always going to be able to buy themselves ahead reguardless, wouldn't it be better to have a game world where you can play without so much harrasment and not getting constantly frustrated over the whole issue of CN farmers and NC's lame attitude?????

CV

*puts on flame retardent suit*.....ok i'm a' ready...:)

lol..

i dun like idea.. y play then?? all u do is spend more and more real life money lol

HOnestly, its a STUPID idea that eventually will ruin the game play, to me. Xactly, y bother to farm then? .... then the game is only abt whos richer in real life and whos not. Richer ones win. The poor will leave coz they lost to the rich ones. The rich will leave, coz of the richer ones. The richer will eventually leave coz the richest owns and the game will be off-service faster than it was with ebayer problem. Man... what a bleep idea. Even ppl who have principle, like bloodloss will be driven to buy adena bcoz its legally unfair. (hehe juz using u as an example dude).

Those are one of the reasons, So peeps, flame on!

Exz

Its retarded. Sony is not trying to correct the problem of purchasing "adena", rather they are also trying to profit from it. That would ruin L2, because at least Adena farmers do just that, FARM. So the money is a limited supply, actually has value and was generated in a semi-normal manor, it just changes hands. If the company is then selling "Adena" that means its no longer being generated normally, just Sony goes "oh you want Mil Adena" *Poof* you got. This would cause god awful inflation.

Lastly  You dint think there would still be farmers? Maybe just selling the money for less then what NCsoft is selling it for? Maybe they will just sell ultra rare items that are dropped by amazingly high lvl creatures.. after all they invest vast amounts of time in this game, why not lvl to 75 and dominate such creatures and sell "Drop only items" After all regardless of the money and equip a char has, he still can only take on creatures with in a few lvls.  I'd sooner buy Adena from a bot using farmer then from the parent company.

it's still lame.

Interesting points, but i still stand by the fact that people are going to buy adena or items anyway and i'd rather if people are going to do that, that at least they game wouldn't be full of the RANG RANG crew. As for saying its lame cause its down to whomever could afford to spend the most, its already like that cause people can easily buy stuff from the criminals from adena inc. I'm not saying i condone people buying their way into the game cause its not something i do, even though i have a decent ammount of real life disspossable income. My point is i'd rather it happend without it ruining peoples games like adena inc does! If you catch my drift.

Of course it would be better if NC stopped it all together, but there can't even be one person out there naieve enough to think they ever will.

P.S excuse my spelling.  :)

I'm with cloak. The losers that currently buy adena can buy it from NCSoft and the ones that don't wont. It will be exactly how it is today, except there wont be any farmers. That's the difference.

What a terrible way to resolve the problem. Assuming people end up buying from the game producers and the producers start making extra profit, why stop there? What would stop the game developers from engineering the game for you to buy items and game money. To insure extra profit they could make it so that playing without buying extra items/game-money would become unproductive.

How long before you can buy xp? Levels?

This has to be one of the worst concepts I've yet heard for gaming.

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modo wrote:I'm with cloak. The losers that currently buy adena can buy it from NCSoft and the ones that don't wont. It will be exactly how it is today, except there wont be any farmers. That's the difference.

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That is very true.  Not all but a large percentage of people who oppose this probably either haven't thought it through or they want to protect the adena farmers.  Those that buy adena now will still buy it, those that do not will still not.  The one thing I'd like to note though is that another post was correct that the adena is not infinetly generated like it would be with direct from NC.  I think they would need to tweak it somehow to accomodate this.  I think however that most people are missing one obvious way to prevent everyone from having the top equipment.  Make items No-Drop.  I am baffled as to why this is not the case for so many items.  Perhaps that will be implemented with C1 and if so then I will be quite relieved.  Imagine people actually have to fight and quest for items and not buy them.  Hard work that seems long forgotten as of late.  I hold hope still that they can turn this game around. 

I dunno. I like having the ability to twink an alt (to a point) is a reason I like this game. I think no-drop items will just institute an EQ-like "line-up-to-camp-this-mob" type of play, but I guess farming is almost exactly that as it is now.

The only problem is, with NCSoft sanctioned sales, more people will buy, because they will think it's "okay" now. I don't think it will be the same people as now. Besides, adena supply seems to be already oupacing demand, I think this problem is on its way to solving itself.

CloakVai's suggestion that NC Soft sell adena is bad because if the company actually did sell it then the farmers would probably go away or be greatly reduced - and then what would most of you people have to talk about in this forum? Nothing.

The existence of famers in the game is essential to so many people's gaming experience that we must keep them around, we must encourage them to stay and multiply, otherwise half the whiners here won't have any excuse to insult Chinese people, won't be able to explain why they level so slowly, and won't be able to buy top-grade weapons and armor. Farmers are good, admit it.

But seriously, folks, get off this subject and play, it's a really fun game. Adena famers will always be in L2 just as the people who will buy adena from them will always be in L2 (the real cause of all your woes - North American and Euro players who buy adena). I have fought famers, killed them, and ignored them, all depending on my mood. Viewed as a part of the game, famers are just another mob you gotta deal with. I've leveled to 40 and never once felt like they were intefering, there are just too many places to hunt. I've never bought adena from them or anyone else, either, I never had to. It's too easy to make money in the game if you just use your brain.

Ultima Online did this.  The demand for virtual goods was so high, the order phones were swamped for days.

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Oddment wrote:What a terrible way to resolve the problem. Assuming people end up buying from the game producers and the producers start making extra profit, why stop there? What would stop the game developers from engineering the game for you to buy items and game money. To insure extra profit they could make it so that playing without buying extra items/game-money would become unproductive.

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God forbid companies want money of all things.

You want to pay more for playing? Give them an extra 10-20 a month. Myself, I find the cost of the game and monthly charge enough.

They arn't FORCEING you to pay more.  And besides, if the price is too much, you can always leave.  If you think that it is somehow your right to play this game because you are paying $15 a month, I'm sorry but you are wrong.  This is the company's game with the company's own private servers.  Like it says in the EULA you are just paying for access to the game.  Don't want to pay?  No more access.  It's as simple as that.  

Now, if they start forceing you to pay for every in-game item with real-world money, yeah that is over kill and I would leave.  But having an OPTION to use real-world money on in-game stuff would not, directly or indirectly, cause me (a person that pays to play the game, not to buy intangible items) to put more money into the game than what I'm already paying.

[Edited by Pockyless at 2:42 PM on 6/11/2004]

Its  a lazy  game  designers  way  out to not bother to fix their game. But oo oo oo, they can make more cash for  Sony by selling out  and  selln  their own ebay system.

Seriously guys any of  us could  spend a couple  days and  come up  with idea  fixes on  L2s adena  economy (i know i can  fix it in  3  days, but no i dont program  so i can only tell them the fixes, but lets  face it  L2  doesnt  want to  fix it, period),  same  with  EQ... EQ however  has less a problem than L2. In  EQ, there is only  1  server that cash can buy  99% of  all items. The rest of the  servers live by "no  drop" rules ( on the hot  ticket items) and works  quite  well on  thwarting  ebay.

I'ma stand by CV on this, it's honestly the only curbing method NC would ever consider. Hopefully all of us here have realised NC is ONLY out to make an assload of cash before they go under with L2, as they arent doing a single damn thing to prolong the lifespan of it. This method, while not perfectly shiny, is better then the current situation. It makes NC money, therefore they might consider it. It gets rid of the farmer asses, as anyone stupid enough to buy adena with real cash would likely see NC-store as easier then jumping through the hoops to buy from some farmer jerks. It really doesnt kill the ingame economy, because Adena Inc has already done that.

Now, I'm not saying that I like the $-adena deal, but I've given up on the noble idea that we can stop it. Without NC's direct intervention, it will never stop. Will NC ever lift a finger to save USA's Lineage 2? NO. Dont delude yourself into thinking they care about us, as it has been proven countless times they dont. I could care less that they ban 100 acounts a week or whatever, because they let the farmers make 100 more to replace said banned accounts.

The only solution, is to ban asian IPs. Why do it? Because: 90% of all the worst people in the game are from Asia, and only like 3% of the asian tide are honest, good people. Now I realise they will say "why axe us for the actions of others", and it's a very legit point...

I put up with the crap from the asian players on the north american servers for two months, thinking "oh it must be the minority". It's not. The good, honest, true players from asia are in the definite minority. In addition, they have their own servers to go to. Hell, they could go play on the korean servers which are way more advanced then the crapola they pass to Austin. The difference is, Americans cant. Why are they allowed to ban us from their servers, for living where we live, while we cant ban them from our servers, for ruining the game in its entirity? Yes, Asian farmers ruin L2. Yes, they prevent it from ever being successful. Yes, they are the large, sweeping majority of all players logging in from the Asian continent. No, we cant stop them.

I say do it, if just to spite the little pricks.

Well, the idea of NC selling adena to anyone  who wants it has its pro's and con's.  I'm against it.  I say keep the Asian farmers, exploiters, and cheaters on the U.S. server and  just think of them as a mob. Thats what i do on the Devianne Server. I enjoy nothing more then seeing a farmer (and yes, 96% of those I have  watched ie: SODA, EF, Forgotten Temple etc etc are in all facts..CHINESE) and then  either PKing, PVPing or simply messing with them. They add to my hunting enjoyment when regular computer generated mobs get redundant. Plus what better way to practice  for  PvP.

Problem of course is  people are afraid of getting killed and losing an item. The myth that all chinese farmers are  high level is simply that..a Myth.  They are not as high as people may think.  I killed them alot when i was  in my early twenties.  Now im in my mid thirties and still kill them.  (On the devianne server the FengZhen001 thru FengZhen010 are the muscles for the majority of Chinese farmers..just for FYI) The others are relatively low to mid twenties. But alot of them de-level too for more adena drops on lower mobs using  higher level skills. Just food for though.

Anyway..since i totally got off track of the main subject of NCsoft selling adena instead of Ebay.. my opinion is  if some Dumba55 Moron wants to spend Real dollars for  Fake money  for a virtual game then more power to them. But to let NCsoft sell it directly would cause a huge inflation problem. Why not just stick ATM's in all the stores in the villages :-) j/k

1) It doesnt freaking MATTER if they are chinese or not, GET THE HELL OVER IT

2) Baning Asian IPs does NOTHING!  95+ percent oof the people connect through a NA based proxy anyways.