i was wondering who would be better at mass pvp, like a siege, HE or SR. i really don't care about PR so thats why i didn't ask lol. but i was wondering who would do better as far as kitting, lasting longer, crit rate, so on. thnx :D

IMO HE, best CON of the archers, good atk.spd., and great dmg per shot
For kiting, dash will keep you away from your enemy so you can get some good skill attacks off. However a SR will have a much faster atk.spd., run faster in general, and crit more, although if you do catch them they will go down sooner because of a lower CON.

For siege HE is definitely the best for the reasons Taylin stated.

In an open PvP in field SR has better kiting abilities so will take out melees and slower rangers easier.

my 40 dex tells me i crit more than a HE :o and my 225 critical thats who the hell told me. thats only w/ focus lvl3 , not including song of hunter or w/e

k research done, lvl 61 SR in maj light w/ focus lv3 is 208. HE lv 61 in maj light w/ focus lv3 is 199. both have no tatts or anything, jus focus lv3. there is ur answer. now if ur talking about crit dmg then yes SR is the lowest, but in terms of crit rate SR is superior.

it rather sounds as if hectic is talking about archers with endgame buffs and equpiment. thats the point where the reach the crit chance limit and only crit damage is interesting.

but in general you right, an SR has a higher base crit rate. its just that with the amount of +crit rate buffs, its not as big an advantage as it could be.

yeah well i wish it was a bigger advantage, thats wat sux. i'm not complaining about my class, i do very well w/ my SR. sieges, pvp, mass pvp, pve are no problem for me, if i were to complain about one thing it is this, why dont' SR's get Pain of Saggitarus, why do only HE and PR get that skill? i was jw, thats all

Turk:
yeah well i wish it was a bigger advantage, thats wat sux. i'm not complaining about my class, i do very well w/ my SR. sieges, pvp, mass pvp, pve are no problem for me, if i were to complain about one thing it is this, why dont' SR's get Pain of Saggitarus, why do only HE and PR get that skill? i was jw, thats all

Because LE's are "suppose" to be more holy, and pain of saggitarus is a "dark" skill, also, you get rapid shot which is really useful

SR crits three times for 1k damage each, HE crits twice for 1.2k damage each. so who hits harder? my math tells me the SR but maybe you got some secrets to share.

most common conclusion is that HE are the "best" (=most overpowered) of the archers when they have full buffs and top setup on. while SR are the best with few/not optimal buffs/setup and for open space pvp where they can play their run speed.

Gurag:
SR crits three times for 1k damage each, HE crits twice for 1.2k damage each. so who hits harder? my math tells me the SR but maybe you got some secrets to share.

most common conclusion is that HE are the "best" (=most overpowered) of the archers when they have full buffs and top setup on. while SR are the best with few/not optimal buffs/setup and for open space pvp where they can play their run speed.

agreed, thats what i was trying to say, if i crit more often then i will do more dmg then one or two big crits from a HE

Turk:
agreed, thats what i was trying to say, if i crit more often then i will do more dmg then one or two big crits from a HE

sounds basicly right, but unfortunately then comes NC with their game design and make a large number of crit chance rising buffs available in high lvls and suddenly the natural advantage of an SR is eroded by the available buffs to the point where his advantage is no longer available but his disadvantage of lower basic strengths dont disapear at the same rate.

of course, this ONLY applies to full buffed and decked out status. if your just a regular player, in the more common non perfect group setups with not all the shiny bling bling items at your dispossal suddenly a SR really can hold his own. its only with the best of the best available that the HE outshines the other archer classes.

i gotta say, so far in my siege experiences (only defending a castle) i really don't have much room or time to use my speed as an SR. the enemy sorta jus charges at you and u can't kite too well cause they are right in front of u and the wall is right behind you. only thing that worked for me is the crit rate that i love so much, but u can crit all u want and it wont do anything when there is 2 heros ganking ur ass. i do like the mass pvps and not the 1on1. asissting to kill a hp beast like destroyers are fun. so i guess HE would be the superior archer in sieges in my experience only cause of the strength and hp, thats about it. but i did like the rapid fire skill, that came in handy.

Taylin:
IMO HE, best CON of the archers, good atk.spd., and great dmg per shot
For kiting, dash will keep you away from your enemy so you can get some good skill attacks off. However a SR will have a much faster atk.spd., run faster in general, and crit more, although if you do catch them they will go down sooner because of a lower CON.

NO you won't kill an SR with a HE.. why? cos using rapidfire he has lots more atk spd than you and has also nice Patk.. so he can stun you fast.. faster than you can... plus if you calculate at 1vs1 it's speed that counts more than dmg when it comes to bow users... so the HE hits slower (but with more dmg) and has a greater chance to miss cos of lower DEx than SR.. SR hiots faster 9and as about as powerful cos of rapid fire, so he has more chances to land crits than you and he doesn't mis cos of DEX).... you do the mat about the DMg he can make and about how much extra HP you have compared to him.

LoL at mass PVP PR is as good or better if you can play it right.... the CON isn't that important if you know how to position yourself.. Sure a lot of people claim HE to be the best cos it it easy to play and they understand it..
First of all HE are vulnerable to nuker atack (since they have low MEN) and they run so slow that a DA or SK with slow can actually catch them (dash sucks). Also when it comes to archer atacks DEX is more important than COn (if you have maje and don't get stunned)... how much life does a HE have compared to PR? 2-3k tops... so that's one extra crit. calculate the max damage given by a HE and then compare it with a PR with the same equip, bufs and lvl.

OVERALl NCSOFT dissapoint me... their fever for money make them do tons of fanservice in this game.. including making TH/HE gain huge advantage with some cool skills that Sr/PW and PR/Aw don't get.. just because a lot more pp play TH/HE (cos they are very easy to use since they have few and simple skills)... so TH gets Silent Move without mana consumption or slower speed (waw WHY???) TH gets both crit chance and crit damage, HE gets quiver of holding so he can spam CP pots.. hate ppl that spam CP pots, hate the invention of CP pots).. WHY does TH have higher atk spd than AW and SR??? where is the logic behind the lore?

OVERALL I really despise NCSoft but can't stop playing their game.

PS.. MrHectic is a giant NOOb.. probably only knows how to play HE... to land 3crits in a row on a nuker is kinda hard.. maybe with COV and full buffs... but a nuker can kill from 2-3 hits (without crits) a HE.

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