TK's are probably the most underrated class in the whole game, people generally assume that light elf's can't really tank, and since we have no special weapon abilities other than sword/blunt masteries, that we can't fight. I'd like to prove all those people wrong, especially the part about us not being able to fight. Ever since I hit lvl 52, I've spent most of my time in the arena learning how to pvp with my TK, and I've picked up a few tricks that I'd like to share. First, roll a dwarf toon and make as much money as possible. The key to being an effective TK is to get the proper gear, which is usually the highest grade you can. Right now on my lvl52, I have a full set of +3 Black Ore jewels, and a full set of Doom Heavy that's all enchanted (most stuff I got from clannies). As of right now I'm still using my +4 SLS with focus since I can't afford a Damascus with focus, mainly cause I have to give my wife my old gear.
When you hit lvl52 you'll have a choice of weapons to go with, first being an AoBA with the health SA. This is a good choice if you want to be a straight tank, you'll have a ton of HP, but your DD ability will suffer, as will you're ability to keep hate on mobs. The inability to keep hate on mobs with the AoBA isn't that big of a deal, it just means you'll have to be a little more on your toes and hit the hate aura a little more often. A TK's second weapon choice, and the one I plan on going with, is the Damascus with focus. I'm going this route because I don't want to be party reliant, and I spend a lot of time in the arena trying out new tactics.
As for tattoos, I only recommend one at this lvl, and that's a +4WIT/-4INT. Getting this tattoo will speed up self buffs and it will speed up your ability to summon your cubics. As far as DEX, STR, and CON tattoos, you'll have to decide on those based on your playing style.
I urge all TK's to go out to the arena and study how to be effective in pvp. Most people will scoff at TK's fighting, but we can be very effective if we know how to play right. There's nothing better that listening to DD's whine when they realize a TK just beat the hell out of them. The key to effectively pvp'ing with a TK is to know when to hit UD, and how to make effective use of your Elemental Heals. Always keep a handful of BSpS on you to use with heals and entangles, there's nothing better than being down to 600hp and popping a BSpS Heal or two, and being back almost to full health. I always do this whenever I'm rooted or immobile because of UD. Most DD's can't keep up with this tactic, and most mages and archers are out of MP by this time, making them easy prey.
Anyways, good luck to all the TK's, or wannabe TK's, out there, and if you have any tips or tricks for us, please post.

ive yet to run out of MP fighting TKs....

Maybe they arent as experience with PvP as this one is?

Good post :)

tho about your suggestion of the -4 Int +4 wit tatt, from what I hear, you cant use blessed on holy aura. So not sure reducing your Int is such a good idea if you want holy aura to land with a 58+ TK. Its not a PvP skill tho, and you are talking mostly about PvP. My TK is only 55 tho, so Im not sure how much of an effect this would have.

Im planning on going Dama too :D Love my SLS with focus :) Might try and get a blunt with HP for raid bosses and AoE tho.

[Edited by Ramonita at 6:34 AM on 8/21/2005]

actually they tried the whole UD2 + heals.

id just bsps sleep them as they started to launch a heal and interrupt it.

leave 'em slept until they woke up naturally so UD2 would be about to wear off.

That's odd, cause at lvl52, and fighting someone my own lvl, their chance of sleep or root, even with bsps, is around 1 in 4 tries. Sometimes they'll land sleep on the first try, and sometimes I go the whole match without ever being slept.
Don't get me wrong, I much prefer fighting DD's than mages, I really hate it when sleep and root do land. lol

Who doesnt?

That's true. lol

As for the Holy Aura and the tattoo, I don't think it will be that big of a deal. Most of the time I'm partied with a mage, and I'll leave rooring things to them. My job is to keep hate, and stay alive. lol

heh.

i hate it when i none of my sleeps land :P i have to rely on out right nuking ;)

you should get some Video together of your pvp experiences megatron. id like to see 'em :)

I'd be glad too, what's the best way to capture a video though?

I fought a lvl50 clannie today, and her sleeps and roots were around 1 out of every 3-4 tries, but they really sucked when she landed them.
I will say this, the tactic I mentioned about hitting UD and then hitting a BSpS and Elemental Heal will not work everytime because it takes a long time, and can be interrupted, but I'm hoping that when I get that +4WIT tattoo my heals will be fast enough that they have a lesser chance of being interrupted.

Let me also say, that these are just some things I've picked up based on my time playing, and I hope that they help others. I've beaten people using these tactics, and I've been beaten using them too, but I tend to win more than lose with them.

OK, I got my +4WIT/-4INT tattoo, and it seems to work fine. I can get my heals faster now, and the +4WIT lowers my chance of being slept or rooted even more than before. The other thing I picked up that really makes a difference is my +3 Damascus with Focus. In PvE at lvl52 I can keep aggro on a mob eventhough I had a lvl62 BH in the group. As far as PvP goes, I beat a lvl54 TH with about 200HP left. I also beat a lvl51 SE, and a lvl45 WC, at the same time. In all fairness to them though, they did come back and beat me once they figured out how to effectivly work together, one just spammed BSpS sleep, and root, while the other life drained me. This was before I got my tattoo though, so I'd love to try this fight again now that my WIT has been raised. Oh yeah, any word on what proggy I could use to record my arena matches? Win or lose, they'd be interesting to watch and see what I did right, and what I did wrong.

only thing i know to do is check the Movies/Media forum here for recommended programs

I guess I'll try fraps. :COOL:
Any requests on who you would like to see me fight?

any and all? :P

A necromancer to shut MoonPenguin up :P

;) dont hate me because im beautiful :P

Actually, I do wonder how well I would fair against any kind of summoner, I mean it's basically like fighting two people at once. Now if I had a stun, I could hope to land it on the summoner so they couldn't heal the summons, but alas, I don't have stun. I'm really stumped on how to fight them...

I know we TK's get alot of grief, but one of the things I love about this class is that we are the underdogs. Hell, I only know of 3 on Erica, and I'm one of them. They are one of the, if not the, hardest class to play in the game, and anyone who's stuck with one long enough to hit lvl52 has my respect.

P.S. Still working on getting Fraps running right since I play on a laptop. I could try it on my desktop, but I'm so used to the touchpad, that the mouse will take some getting used too again.

[B]MoonPenguin wrote:[/b]

;) dont hate me because im beautiful :P

No, that's why I love you :)

[B]Megatron1977 wrote:[/b]

Actually, I do wonder how well I would fair against any kind of summoner, I mean it's basically like fighting two people at once. Now if I had a stun, I could hope to land it on the summoner so they couldn't heal the summons, but alas, I don't have stun. I'm really stumped on how to fight them...

I know we TK's get alot of grief, but one of the things I love about this class is that we are the underdogs. Hell, I only know of 3 on Erica, and I'm one of them. They are one of the, if not the, hardest class to play in the game, and anyone who's stuck with one long enough to hit lvl52 has my respect.

P.S. Still working on getting Fraps running right since I play on a laptop. I could try it on my desktop, but I'm so used to the touchpad, that the mouse will take some getting used too again.

I have to say though Megatron, you do make TK's sound interesting. I'd be curious to try one someday. I love playing underplayed classes :D

Well thank you Banana, if you ever decide to try a TK, let me know if you have any questions about them. Be warned though, they are not an easy class to play or lvl, but that's what makes them so cool, imho. Like tonight, I was at the arena, and someone noticed I was a TK, and remarked that they haven't seen a TK in quite awhile, then they aslo said they wouldn't go 1 on 1 with me, bucause TK's are too hard to kill. I love when people say that. lol

Oh, and I think I've devised a way to fight Summoners, well at least Necromancers, but I'll have to hit lvl58 before I can try it. At 58 we get a skill that roots undead, and I know that they can un-root them, but if I can keep the Summoner busy enough where he doesn't have time to un-root them, then maybe I can beat them. The only other thing is the transfer pain skill they have, but maybe I can do enough damage with my Dama with focus to overcome that. It's worth a shot though.

You should be more worried about Anchor and Sleep than the summons though. What are you going to to about them?

ive found light elves to be the most resistant to my anchor....i dont know if its a base stat that affects that, or if its just pure coincedence and high mdef.

last time i went against a tk, i made sure to silence him....didnt want him to be able to heal himself :)

TK's have a skill called Spirit Barrier that makes us more resistant to all magic attacks, as well as having a high base restistance, and high M.Def. I believe mine is over 700 M.Def with self buffs at lvl53. With my +4WIT/-4INT tattoo I'm even more resistant to dark magic like root/sleep/anchor.

The silence idea was pretty smart, I've never fought anyone that's been able to, or has even thought about, silencing me. If I have my cubics out before I get silenced, I can at least rely on those heals to a degree. I also wonder if I could still hit UD if I were to be silenced...

Im curious Megatron, what equipment and tatoos do you use now that you're in B grade?

UD is an active skill like mortal blow/powerstrike/sting/etc., i think....you should still be able to use it while silenced (most unfortunate for me)

Since I hit B grade, I've got a +4WIT/-4INT tattoo for faster casting speed (self buffs, cubics, UD, entangle), I've got fully enchanted Doom Heavy armor (+4 on the shield) and fully enchanted Black Ore jewels, and I finally got my +3 Damascus with Focus. =)
I want to overenchant the Dama, but I won't since I don't have the money to replace it.
My advice if you are lacking funds is to only enchant your B grade jewels since you already have high p.def, and most of the damage you will take from PvE or PvP will come from magic crits.
At lvl 60 I'll think about getting a DEX or CON tattoo. I'm thinking DEX since I will have to take it from my STR. Hopefully I can hit and crit more to make up for the lack of STR. At lvl70 I'll get whichever CON or DEX tattoo that I decide against at 60.
If anyone's curious at lvl20-40 I used fully enchanted brig with a +3 ELS, and lvl40-52 I used fully enchanted FP with a +4 SLS with Focus. Also I used fully enchanted Elven Jewels all the way through C grade. IMHO, C grade jewels are a waste of money, save that money for B grade jewels when you hit 52.

Hey, Megaton, you should get a nice bow and use it once youve used UD. Smart idea no? Just use UD when your low on HP and cant heal and just start shooting unless your opponenet is stupid enough to still stay close. heh, and if they do, just keep slashing. You can still use power strike so if you do get a bow, it can come in real handy.

Actually, this has been a thought of mine for quite awhile, if I ever get the money I plan to invest in a nice BoP to use against those that are smart enough to run away. You would be suprised at how many people just stand there and whack away when I hit UD though, so it's not that big of an issue.

ROFL... morons... HAHAHA

Id probably just bleed you and run around you in circles ^^.

LOL, you might want to re-think your plan there. TK's can self cure bleed, and we can throw Entangle on you to slow you down. I know alot of other classes have a "slow" skill too, but with well over 600 M.Def at only lvl54, getting it to land on us is pretty hard. When it does land is when I could really use a bow, I could just stay still and heal while doing some long range damage.

OK, still no Fraps, but I did fight again last night in the arena, and I figured I'd share. The first fight was against a Necromancer, and MoonPenguin is sure to love this, I got whipped bad. I didn't even get through his CP. His sleeps landed because he hit me with Curse Gloom which lowered my M.Def, from then it was sleep, debuffs, and nukes, rinse, repeat. This was my first time fighting a Necromancer, so I'll have to work on some tactics for them. I wonder if I can do better now that I have a +5 Black Ore Necklace (almost 700 M.Def with self buffs at lvl 55). =)
The second fight was against an archer (lvl55 PR), and I faired much better in this match. The first fight he got me down to almost half health before I killed him, but I forgot to put on my Deflect Arrow skill and I didn't use Guard Stance. On the second fight I used both of these and he barely got through my CP. On both fights, my tactics were the same. BSpS Entangle, then smack him till he died. An archer's biggest advantage is his ability to kite, with Entangle you take this ability away, and he's basically dead meat.

hehe . nice work mega!

Ive got to hand it to you Mega, your a true strategists, you give many temple knights a good name =P The best way to beat a Necro is to keep him/her from debuffing you, best way.

Now you've just gotta beat a necro and post a movie doing it :P That'll show Moon. :)

:P i want an inter-server pvp zone.....that would be so much fun.