We have an SLS for my SWS, and now wondering what SA would be best:

my bf says go crit damage because with natural LE high dex and song of hunter, crit rate will be high enough already.

I say go focus to get even higher crit rate and to get more damage over time, since she is not very stong anyway crit damage may not help too much?

Anyone please advise. Most people only say focus; does anyone have experience with crit damage SA for SWS?

thanks

Critical Rate unless you have your SwS with +STR Armour Set or Tatoos. Elves have the highest DEX, so why not improve and make all your hits critical? hehe

Both add a fix amount to either crit rate or patk, so as you got terrible patk but very good crit rate (with hunter up) crit dmg should perhaps give you more dmg over time.

Best would be to just try it though, I just speculate on this and haven't done any tests myself...

Ideas are always appreciated 535204 ^^ It does seem reasonable if you wanted to improve dmg a bit with an already high crit rate. Maybe get a setup intended for more DEX to crit, then do Crit Power to slam in dmg.

FOCUS!!!!

IMO I have a treasure hunter with doom and +5 DEX so his Crit.rate is very high but I prefer Kris(focus) over Demon sword(crt. damg.) any day.

BUT

I've never actually tried Crit. damage .However, I see less Crt.dmg. weapons for sale than focus weapons
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Focus. Your critical w/o it would be around 220 using prophet and self buffs. That's pretty low. With the focus SA you'll have about 280 crit rate. Generally speaking, that equates to 1/4 attacks becoming a critical.

Since your critical rate is already low at 220, you won't see a lot of benefit from going crit damage. The SA sucks anyways since it adds the patk AFTER all modifiers, like dance of fire and death whisper. IE, if you had 100 patk on a critical and the SA adds 200, you'd end up with a 300 patk crit. If you had 2000 patk you'd end up with 2200 patk in the end.

If you have hunter already crit demage might be good, but since you say you have a SLS for your SwS it sound like its someone comming up to C grade and would not yet have hunter. With no hunter oyu should get focus, with hunter i belive bouth would work realy good

Thanks for your input everyone; our friend whose main is a TH told us to get focus, so that is what we are doing. He says that Focus is always better for PVE, and yes we are leveling her by hand until 49, after she gets hunter we will then just put her in parties to help the rest of us level :)

Like I thought, our dagger friend says Crit damage is mainly useful for dagger classes during PVP where it enhances the damage of their skills.

my sws used a crit damage dagger and had a +4str, -4con tat.

was interesting....could fly through squishy mages, though ^^

I think Critical Damage is the way to go. That's what my bro's SWS will use anyway.

Swordsingers have an obsene critical rate with Song of Hunter on, and no matter what anyone says, 220 is high. The problem with elven fighters though is their low STR. While their crits are common, they can hardly do more than double their normal damage output. With Critical Damage, a Swordsinger may critical 1/5 rather than 1/4, but their criticals would actually do something.

For any other class, I would advocate Focus, but Song of Hunter changes everything.

Kind of like choosing to go with your strenghts or boost your weaknesses.

Id say Focus until you get Hunter, then Crit Dmg

well critical on a dark legions edge is really nice. you can crit pretty dam hard with that thing.

but i can also see how a dagger with critical damage SA would work find too, but he doesnt really have the passives, dagger is a nice wepon for any sword class (kinda).

well critical on a dark legions edge is really nice. you can crit pretty dam hard with that thing.

but i can also see how a dagger with critical damage SA would work find too, but he doesnt really have the passives, dagger is a nice wepon for any sword class (kinda).

well critical on a dark legions edge is really nice. you can crit pretty dam hard with that thing.

but i can also see how a dagger with critical damage SA would work find too, but he doesnt really have the passives, dagger is a nice wepon for any sword class (kinda).

well critical on a dark legions edge is really nice. you can crit pretty dam hard with that thing.

but i can also see how a dagger with critical damage SA would work find too, but he doesnt really have the passives, dagger is a nice wepon for any sword class (kinda).

kyz:
If anyone is thinking of going critical damage, see this screenshots of a swordsinger majestic set, bloody orchid focus, nightmare shield and +4STR -4CON ... you might reconsider going focus :p.
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Exactly what buffs do you have there? I've tried it with L2calc, with a +4DEX/-4CON tattoo setup and a kris with focus (higher focus than a BO), and I can only reach 400 for crit rate. Plus, I thought 500 was the highest crit rate in the game (However I could be wrong).

yes, i read the same thing, that crit rate is limited to 500. Also interesting is that in the first screen you see all your song effects twice, but i never played an sws so that might happen on live too. But i am pretty sure that i have never had the lvl of a mob displayed to me overhead like you have on your second screen shot.

so it looks like we are either talking about 3rd party programms or a private server.

3 rows with buffs = private server ^^

Dammit guys, I wanted to see his explanation of how he got his crit rate that high. lol

535204:
3 rows with buffs = private server ^^

never manged to get enough buffs, but dont buffs flow over to a 3rd row when you learn the passiv skill to increase your buff limit?

and as another point, if you show 2 screen shots to compare stats, maybe you shouldnt lvl up 4 lvls between them (71 in the first picutre, 75 in the second)

Gurag:

535204:
3 rows with buffs = private server ^^

never manged to get enough buffs, but dont buffs flow over to a 3rd row when you learn the passiv skill to increase your buff limit?

Nope, still only 2 rows. I think that debuffs might go on the third row though.

The buff rows now can take 12 buffs instead of 10 buffs in C4, so even with divine inspiration 4 (which only heros can get) you can only get 2 full rows (24 buffs^^).
Debuffs/Toggles/Heals can go on a 3rd row though.

ah, thx for the explanation.

Still though, 400 crit rate with a dagger on a SwS is nothing to sneeze at. If l2calc is correct, I think a focus dagger for pve would be amazing on a SwS.

But we are talking B grade here, when going A grade there isnt such SA as focus anymore.
you can chose for dagger/one handed sword(more dmg then dagger, but slower)/two handed sword(more dmg then sword but again slower)
so what then,some SA: crit. dmg, health, rsk focus, rsk haste, guidance...
rsk focus, rsk haste, kinda sucks you need to let ur hp drop below 60%
crit dmg, +200 p atk (at soul sep.) +326 p atk (Dark Legion)
health 25% (with buffs can give you like 1-2k extra) at Dark Legion and Dragon Slayer

and tattoo you should get a +4dex-4con or a +4str-4con ( i think not both losing to much hp)

or just stay at B grade ;)

dcent:
But we are talking B grade here, when going A grade there isnt such SA as focus anymore.
you can chose for dagger/one handed sword(more dmg then dagger, but slower)/two handed sword(more dmg then sword but again slower)
so what then,some SA: crit. dmg, health, rsk focus, rsk haste, guidance...
rsk focus, rsk haste, kinda sucks you need to let ur hp drop below 60%
crit dmg, +200 p atk (at soul sep.) +326 p atk (Dark Legion)
health 25% (with buffs can give you like 1-2k extra) at Dark Legion and Dragon Slayer

and tattoo you should get a +4dex-4con or a +4str-4con ( i think not both losing to much hp)

or just stay at B grade ;)

You could go Bloody Orchid with focus, but the crit rate is better on a kris. Right now my friend has a 75 SwS, on my reccomendation we put her in Avadon heavy (tallum would be better, we just need to craft some) and a +3 kris with focus, and she tears through mobs now.

ty, more advice pls :d

I'd take BW heavy or Tallum Heavy and a Infernal Master /Focus if you can afford it^^

For soloing a DLE /rsk focus also works good, but lousy in grops^^

Happy belated ban-day kyz.

think it will be great it you have Dragon Slayer+Heatlh and Bloody O.+Focus
Majestic is nice aswell :)

I've used a BO and it was OK. The pve crits were consistent but the damage was low. I'd say a sword is probably just as good even though you may not crit as much. You use much less ss too which saves a ton for your pockets.