I've read through this thread and havent found a single person mention the Karmian Set (tunic, stockings, and gloves) for 40+ C Grade. Its a decent robe set, not to mention it's +5.24% to P.Def AND +15% casting speed!!

Now as a level 39 shaman, I am thinking my only down falls would be:
1. Crapy healing spells
and!!
2. SLOW slow slow!! casting speeds.

So I am going to vote for the following gear at level 40 for Warcryers ..

Karmian Set (+5.24 P.Def/+15% casting speed)
Homunkulus's Sword - Focus (+15% casting speed[and second M.Atk to the ghoul staff])
Full Plate Shield (best p.def C grade shield)

Even if you CAN afford the robes AND the Full Plate set your still better off in the Karmian robe set 99% of the time due to the magical set bonuses that increase p.def and casting speed.

Just my 2 adena's worth!

i'm just wondering, if i were to get an sa like magic paralize for my shaman once he becomes an Ol will it try to land paralize on each person that is affected by the aoe or will it just try to land on the person i have targetted, because if it tries to land on each person Ol's might have a hidden skill, aoe para O.O

doest a mele wearpon (sword, dager, 1-handed blunt) with high MAtk gives noticably more melle dmg the staffs? having to wearpons is too expencive, and this seems like a nice compromise, Matk of a mage wearpon, but higher atak speed, and critical, if i'll go for sword or dugger, for any time in party when i'm the only one to heal+buff ant thus need to save my MP. or no significal difference and I dont need to bother looking for thees rearer wearpons and just go for a staff?(these kind of wearpons doesnt sells in stores, i think, so it porbably more expencive)

I just started an Orc Shaman (lvl28), but I found a really quick way to lvl. I picked up a glaive and full brig set (left over from my TK), and so far I've found it to be really effective. I go down to the Necro of Sacrifice, and aggro as much as I can, then pull them to a corner and whack away. I've heard that our seals and stuff don't land that much untill C grade, so the lower M.Attk of the glaive and the slow cast speed of the heavy armor don't hinder me much. So far I've found only three problems with this approach:
1. I run through alot of heal pots. I tend to carry around 200 with me when I solo.
2. It's hard to party, since most people don't understand that they have to wait untill I have all the mobs on me before they heal or assist.
3. There is alot of downtime waiting for mobs to respawn, this does give you time to rest though.
This set-up works well for me, it might not for others, but I thought I'd share.

[Edited by Megatron1977 at 1:26 PM on 10/21/2005]

What do you ppl think of +4 raid*raid or katana*katana to get the haste going+soulcry :P

-For NG mystic I used an iron hammer, it worked good for the 3 days I was in NG.

-For D grade shaman: I used an atuba hammer, and it absolutely rawked. I enchanted it to 4 and it was perfect for shaman, you have a nice high m'tak and a really good p'tak. It also looks pretty good. I really recommend it if you can find one.

-For C grade Warcryer: I first started with duel katanas and eventually enchanted them to 4. They have a p'tack of 210 and and m'tack of 98. Which is higher than an unchanted art of battle axe. With haste on them they were ok, but I didn't really notice too much of a difference. Which is why I took them to blacksmith mammon and traded them for duel spirit swords +4. Same p and m attack; but spiritswords bestow health; 25% increase. You can buff yourself with chant of fury or pop an attack speed pot, and hit almost the same as you would if you had haste on your weapon, but there is no potion for a 25% health increase; and we orcs don't have a buff for +HP yet either. And that extra HP is handy.

[Edited by Teseries at 8:31 PM on 12/3/2005]

It's only 4% haste but it helps with VR and I found after trying both Sprit and Raid dules that I like the Raid because it works better with VR and with 250p attack and 128 m attack (they +9) then add the tatto of +4 str and -4 Con I solo just fine and kill pretty fast for a mage :) (840 p attack total with soul cry)

Due to it getting Acumen in C4, the Club of Nature is a great weapon for OL's and WC's. I just traded my Nirvana Axe with Magic Power for one, and I'm highly impressed. I may keep this weapon through A grade. Since it's a 1 handed blunt, I can use a shield with it, and for the price of a Branch of the Mother Tree I can get a +12 Club of Nature.

i personally would go for mace of the underworld, C grade 1 handed blunt, u can use a shield, it has p.atk of 111 and m.atk 101 (same as sages staff-top c). i have not tried as im in the process of crafting. besides, it looks freakin awesome. tell me plz if you have tried it.

I've had a Mace of the Underworld, it's a great C grade mage blunt, and does look awsome. My main problem with it is the lack of a good SA (read: no acumen). My other problem with it is that I tend to solo alot, and it doesn't do alot of melee damage, plus it uses 3 SS every hit so I run out of SS quick.

I have a question though. I recently got a +6 SLS*TSU and I love them, my p.atk with them is almost 900 with Soul Cry on, so I can do some major damage expecially during a crit which happens a good bit because of the Focus SA on them. I was wondering though, would I do better to trade them for a SLS*SLS? Since the SA on a SLS*SLS is Haste, and since Soul Cry only adds a fixed amount to my p.atk, would I be doing more damage over a quicker amount of time with the SLS*SLS?

I heared that a dagger with focus is really good for training

A kris with focus is awsome if you have to solo. I wish I would have just bought one when I hit B grade.

Ok, a last question. For solo or partys, is good using ss or bsps??? Cause if i use them, i waste a lot of adena, lots, but with out them i train very slow...

PD: i am a noob orc mage, so i dont know. I player a Destro of a friend and he uses ss, but as mage i dont know

Desparion gloves??? I've never heard of those, unless you mean Desparion Staff which is a A grade weapon.

As far as the land rate of stun, it will be the same on any blunt from NG to S grade. I personally use a Chrono Deburka which has like 1 p.atk, and I can stun just as often as my frind who has a Meteor Shower.

on the karmain set reply casting speed is good dont get me wrong but i am finding that the +4 int. bonus from demon is even better..... now i know peaople will say but it nefs your hp. but seriously people we have a bad a$$ drain and i have found that demon is just better.

and i have a dark screamer with focus it worcks just fine and with soul cry i do really good damege and crit alot. also when i train i use a full plate set with shield . simply put i rock the house pve and can do damn good in pvp (against cgrade people).

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Dual Swords: Great damage, bad M atk, slow attack speed, good critical,no accuracy bonus, looks awesome, very common(so easy to make/find). A typically good choice if you want to buff/heal and just use melee attacks to help your party while you regain mana. For a WC this works great with VR.

Dual Fists: Great damage, bad M atk, slow attack speed, bad critical, accuracy bonus, looks pretty good on shamans, harder to find(the only class that is made to use them is monk~tyrant). This is another buffer/healer weapon, the main difference between dual swords/fists is fists are more accurate but swords have a higher critical. For a WC this works great with VR.

Blunt(Fighter-type): Not so great damage, decent M atk, fast attack speed, bad critical, accuracy bonus, shield, stun, easy to find. This is a pretty good choice for shamans if you want to pvp/solo more then party. The stun is awesome in duels(if it lands).

Staff: Bad damage, great M atk, slow attack speed, bad critical, shield(with 1 handed), stun, not too hard to find. If you want to depend heavily on your seals(Overlords), dots, or your life drain skills, rather then buff/heal, this would be your choice. These can be 1 handed or 2 handed. 2 handed can have more damage and M atk, but 1 handed gets a shield and a faster attack speed. Keep in mind, to be effective PvP with your spells(except for sleep), you will want a staff. But for lvling vs mobs, most fighter weapons will suffice.

Sword(Mystic Sword): Decent damage, great M atk, fast attack speed, good critical, shield, not too hard to find. I have yet to see a shaman use this, up until B grade, they are basically 1 handed blunts with increased critical, but no stun or accuracy bonus.

Poles: No, C5 made this a big NO weapon 2 mages

Books: what books? C5 did a away with the last of it's kind all is left is blunts called ETC

Daggers: Bad damage, low M atk, very fast attack speed, best critical, not too hard to find, reduced accuracy. Not only does this not help your accuracy, it lowers it! But it is the most effective weapon in conjuction with Soul Cry. For some Overlords, they can justify 122 M atk on a Hell Knife enough to give up the Stun on a staff, but that is up to you entirely. I love stun way too much to give it up. For a WC this works great with VR.

Bow: No, C5 made this a big NO weapon 2 mages

Would you go for Acumen SA weapon or Empower?
Basically I am trying to decide if its club of nature or the empower SA blunt for C grade.
I would think magical power SA sucks way too much or OL/WC, which are starving for mana anyways.

Acumen, empower SA is trash whichever way you might put it :P

I am an 70 level Overlord and I have a Dasparion's staff accumen and a BW Light set.
You all must realise that overlord is an ally buffer and a cp healer. You need the reuse time for the honor of paagrio skill to be shortened and this can be achieved only with an accumen weapon. Also BW Light gives P defense and Cast Speed. When I have enough adena I will buy a majestic set though because of that MP Regenaration. As far as symbols are concerned Wit +4 Men -5, Wit +1 Men -2 and Con +4 Str -4. And the best weapons for A grade are BOMT Accumen ( Enhances Dmg during pvp , too much M atk , stuns and Casting Speed ) or a Dasparion's Accumen for the same reasons

OverlordCP:
I am an 70 level Overlord and I have a Dasparion's staff accumen and a BW Light set.
You all must realise that overlord is an ally buffer and a cp healer. You need the reuse time for the honor of paagrio skill to be shortened and this can be achieved only with an accumen weapon. Also BW Light gives P defense and Cast Speed. When I have enough adena I will buy a majestic set though because of that MP Regenaration. As far as symbols are concerned Wit +4 Men -5, Wit +1 Men -2 and Con +4 Str -4. And the best weapons for A grade are BOMT Accumen ( Enhances Dmg during pvp , too much M atk , stuns and Casting Speed ) or a Dasparion's Accumen for the same reasons

lol, do you play on a private server by any chance? Anyways, I agree with most of what you said, except for your choice of weapon and tattoos. Always try to go with a 1 handed acumen blunt so you can use a shield. Since we have a shield buff, we might as well use it, besides it comes in handy especially when fighting archers.

The tattoo setup should really be +3WIT/-3MEN/+2WIT/-2MEN/+4CON/-4STR.

Seriously, shield owns.

BW light/majestic set is for babies, go demons and DC robes, overlord deserves to be played as more than a buffer.

Yeah, the buffer setup worked more in C5, but in Interlude our seal landing rate increased, magic crits came back, and it's a whole new ballgame. We are a lot more offensive now, and your armor/weapons should reflect that.